Bluesbreaker 1962/1974x or ?? help

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robmac5150robmac5150 Frets: 40
edited January 10 in Amps
Marshall 1962hw is an amp i have never had (and I have had A LOT) but always fancied. Been out of the loop playing live for a few years now and fancy having an amp that will last me for years for the odd jam or small gig. Sounds awesome on here 

but its just a bit too big physically.  I have read the 1974 x is kinda boxy and voiced different. SO question is what exists or who builds something in a slightly smaller format/wattage with similar tone? I get the 1x12 V's 2x12 but maybe squeezed into a smaller box?? Thoughts??? No tremolo required!!
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  • robmac5150robmac5150 Frets: 40
    edited January 10
    Just realised this is a HW version?/ Were they always hardwired??
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34791
    Rift Plexi 18.

    I don't know if anyone makes a JTM45 VVTMBP circuit in an 18W-size amp, but I'm sure there must be someone... or you can actually fit a full JTM45 chassis in an 18W combo cabinet, I think.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • thanks. Rift definitely on the short list 
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  • soma1975soma1975 Frets: 426
    Just a get one made in a 1x12" format and get a 1x12" extension cab if you want 2 speakers. 
    My Trade Feedback Thread is here

    Been uploading old tracks I recorded ages ago and hopefully some new noodles here.
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  • The 18w cab is a bit boxy sounding, but it does work well in a band setting as it does not get too boomy at louder volumes.

    This is the JTM45 style 1 x 12 combo I build and really like, the cabinet is deeper than a normal 18w cab which get rid of the boxy sound, clean sounds are really great going into bluesy overdrive when cranked.

    I can build one for you, pretty sure Rift, Gartone, Sutcliffe, Stoneham, Bluebird, RDA etc could do something similar too.




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  • I've been looking for a similar sort of thing recently and for similar reasons. I haven't tried them yet, but the Morgan MVP23 and the Carr Mercury V look like they are contenders . 
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  • RiftAmpsRiftAmps Frets: 1400
    ICBM said:
    Rift Plexi 18.
    Thanks, ICBM

    The Plexi 18 has both a 1974 Vol+tone channel and a JTM45 TMB channel, 2xEl84.

    ICBM said:
    I don't know if anyone makes a JTM45 VVTMBP circuit in an 18W-size amp, but I'm sure there must be someone... or you can actually fit a full JTM45 chassis in an 18W combo cabinet, I think.
    I've done a few low-watt JTM45s in a 1x12" cab, CB 6V6s for around 16w.

    You can fit a full JTM45 chassis in a standard 1974 1x12" cab but some brands of KT66 are too tall and can touch the front of the cab. Modulus offers a deeper cab to fix this or you can have a top mounted chassis w/front facing controls


    *I no longer offer replacement speaker baffles*
    Rift Amplification
    Handwired Guitar Amplifiers
    Brackley, Northamptonshire
    www.riftamps.co.uk

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  • thanks. Rift definitely on the short list 
    I think I misunderstood what you meant by similar. :) 

    The Rift looks wonderful though. I'd stick it on my list but I think I need one with a built in attenuator for playing at home. 
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  • EmielEmiel Frets: 26
    Marshall's 2061x reissue is handwired too, small light weight (10 kg) head and very affordable secondhand. Add a 1x12 or a 2x12 with a low efficiency Celestion G12M-20 Heritage speaker and you're plenty loud for most gigs. I have never turned mine up above 2,5...
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  • Slightly off at a tangent but is a 57 Twin a similar circuit?? Seen a Youtube video with Clapton saying he swapped to them back in the day because they were more consistent. I know zero about all this so excuse me if its a dumb question. 
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  • I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
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  • Emiel said:
    Marshall's 2061x reissue is handwired too, small light weight (10 kg) head and very affordable secondhand. Add a 1x12 or a 2x12 with a low efficiency Celestion G12M-20 Heritage speaker and you're plenty loud for most gigs. I have never turned mine up above 2,5...
    Never?? not even just to see what you could be missing tone wise? It is smile inducing stuff.
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  • I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    A Marshall 4140 Club and Country I think. There was one for sale last week on the West Midlands Facebook group. 
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  • I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    Was it a 2 x 12 or a 2 x 10??

    If you have two 12" speakers you need 620-630mm inside minimum to get them in. with a 15mm Birch ply cab you would need an overall size of at least 660mm min using a baffle dadoed into the cab, not the normal Marshall cleat stuff, it would still be fantastically heavy.
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  • I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    A Marshall 4140 Club and Country I think. There was one for sale last week on the West Midlands Facebook group.



    No, I'm getting mixed up. More likely a Marshall Artiste. 

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  • robmac5150robmac5150 Frets: 40
    edited January 11
    I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    Was it a 2 x 12 or a 2 x 10??

    If you have two 12" speakers you need 620-630mm inside minimum to get them in. with a 15mm Birch ply cab you would need an overall size of at least 660mm min using a baffle dadoed into the cab, not the normal Marshall cleat stuff, it would still be fantastically heavy.
    Couldn't honestly say. I assumed 2x12 but may have been 2x10. I just remember it didn't have any tolex on the front at all - only cloth. He used a Yamaha Superflighter guitar. I can barely remember my name most days but shit like that sticks!!

    Your combo looks fab btw. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34791
    edited January 11
    Slightly off at a tangent but is a 57 Twin a similar circuit??
    No, but a '59 Bassman is.

    I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    Possibly a 'Popular' - 10W 2x10". They came in two versions, earlier with basketweave cloth and later with checkerboard.

    The stock circuit is absolutely terrible though, so a lot get rebuilt as pseudo-18Ws. I did a couple back in the 80s, one the basketweave version and one a checkerboard.

    It could also have been a Lead & Bass 50, which is the one Paul Weller uses - but they're a 2x12" and almost the same size as a Bluesbreaker.

    StrummyBrummie said:

    No, I'm getting mixed up. More likely a Marshall Artiste.
    No, the Artiste has a vinyl panel at the top like a Bluesbreaker, but with a larger logo.

    The Club & Country looks like - and essentially is - a brown Fender Twin.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • gotcha . thanks!
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  • ICBM said:
    Slightly off at a tangent but is a 57 Twin a similar circuit??
    No, but a '59 Bassman is.

    I used to listen to a band in Glasgow in the 80's . The guitarist used some sort of marshall 2x12 that wasn't as big as the1962 - had checkerboard cloth across entire front and controls on top. Stellar sound also. 
    Possibly a 'Popular' - 10W 2x10". The came in two versions, earlier with basketweave cloth and later with checkerboard.

    The stock circuit is absolutely terrible though, so a lot get rebuilt as pseudo-18Ws. I did a couple back in the 80s, one the basketweave version and one a checkerboard.

    It could also have been a Lead & Bass 50, which is the one Paul Weller uses - but they're a 2x12" and almost the same size as a Bluesbreaker.

    StrummyBrummie said:

    No, I'm getting mixed up. More likely a Marshall Artiste.
    No, the Artiste has a vinyl panel at the top like a Bluesbreaker, but with a larger logo.

    The Club & Country looks like - and essentially is - a brown Fender Twin.
    Lol. Why am even bothering to commet on an amp thread when the experts are in the room?!

    How embarrassing.


    I'll get my coat...
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34791
    StrummyBrummie said:

    How embarrassing.
    Not really, it's quite confusing when there are a lot of people trying to pass off Artistes as Bluesbreakers for a start! Let alone Populars - with or without rebuild - as 18Ws.

    It can be a bit of a minefield. Not helped by incorrect information in Mike Doyle's book which was based on deliberate dishonesty from a well-known vintage dealership...
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • Emiel said:
    Marshall's 2061x reissue is handwired too, small light weight (10 kg) head and very affordable secondhand. Add a 1x12 or a 2x12 with a low efficiency Celestion G12M-20 Heritage speaker and you're plenty loud for most gigs. I have never turned mine up above 2,5...
    Yeah, I had a 2061X and it was one of the best amps I've ever owned. A bit more aggressive because of the solid state rectifier but otherwise same circuit as a 1974X. 

    Unlike Emiel, I always ran mine on 10 (I once had a complaint from a neighbour though. And not the next door neighbour, oh no. The guy two doors down). I had a Zilla 1x12 and it sounded great.
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  • guitartangoguitartango Frets: 128
    Hi @robmac5150 ;

    I would never describe the 1974x as boxy, it's a great little amp built for a les paul or 335. Had mine for about six years and still brings a smile to my face. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKSvaFCHs0
    Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
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  • EmielEmiel Frets: 26
    edited January 11
    Emiel said:
    Marshall's 2061x reissue is handwired too, small light weight (10 kg) head and very affordable secondhand. Add a 1x12 or a 2x12 with a low efficiency Celestion G12M-20 Heritage speaker and you're plenty loud for most gigs. I have never turned mine up above 2,5...
    Never?? not even just to see what you could be missing tone wise? It is smile inducing stuff.

    Guess I’ll have to show up earlier on my band’s rehearsals! 

    The 2061x sounds more like the big Marshalls than the more Vox-y 1974x. Definitely an amp the topic starter should consider!
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  • ICBM said:
    StrummyBrummie said:

    How embarrassing.
    Not really, it's quite confusing when there are a lot of people trying to pass off Artistes as Bluesbreakers for a start! Let alone Populars - with or without rebuild - as 18Ws.

    It can be a bit of a minefield. Not helped by incorrect information in Mike Doyle's book which was based on deliberate dishonesty from a well-known vintage dealership...
    It's a minefield alright. I hadn't even heard of the Popular.

    Anyway, I was presented be with an enormous bill that I hadn't bargained for this afternoon so I should probably stop thinking about new amps entirely.  Easier said than done though eh? 

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  • VoxmanVoxman Frets: 2212
    Hi @robmac5150 ;

    I would never describe the 1974x as boxy, it's a great little amp built for a les paul or 335. Had mine for about six years and still brings a smile to my face. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKSvaFCHs0
    Very nice demo and playing. Great tone and love your 335.  ;)
    I started out with nothing..... but I've still got most of it left (Seasick Steve)
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  • sw67sw67 Frets: 86
    MJW Roadstar 18w combo with power scaling might fit the bill - Martin now based in Scotland. 
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  • sw67 said:
    MJW Roadstar 18w combo with power scaling might fit the bill - Martin now based in Scotland. 
    Or the Bantam or V620...
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  • People buy these amps because they look super cool. But they are heavy. They are loud. And they scare soundmen/band mates when you turn up with them. Honestly, get a Revival Drive and work with whatever you have to run it through.  Just my 1p. :+1: 
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  • point noted ;-) 
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  • mark_jwedgemark_jwedge Frets: 166
    I played a Rift plexi 18 combo at a previous brum guitar show and it sounded mega and I have lusted after it ever since. Even through the enormous general din of a guitar show it shone through.

    Played some of the Modulus amps gryphin amp range at the same show and was equally impressed. Didn’t play his 1x12 jtm 45 but presumably it will be of the same standard. My main gigging cab was made by Modulus too so I thoroughly recommend them.

    You can’t go wrong with either. I imagine something from MJW would be the same, I just have no first hand experience of them.
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