eBay team built Relic Tele for £4.5k anyone? Apparently it’s ‘very rare’.

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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 2183
    That’s crazy money, even top end for a Masterbuilt model 
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    Yep.....they're certainly very rare at that price....ffs. 
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  • DB1DB1 Frets: 877
    edited January 11
    I saw that earlier. Very nice, but... phew. 
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 431
    How do you know a relic is in unplayed condition?
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  • Fishboy7Fishboy7 Frets: 393
    I noticed that too.

    Nice, but pretty run of the mill used tele for around 200% price of new one. 


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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 5112
    looks just like many other new models you can buy for £3k or 3.5K   easy enough to obtain one in that finish if required - So no hidden secrets
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 36108
    I’d take a Team Built over a Masterbuilt any time, but that’s at least twice and probably not far from about three times what it’s worth.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    Whilst we are on with ridiculous ebay claims, someone wants to tell Andy Baxter that this guitar didn't leave the Custom Shop as a RELIC for god's sake. Some dreadful sanding on body and hardware gone on here. Only Vince Cunetto and team were doing relic work for the shop back then, and they ALL had an imprint logo on the headstock rear with no decal as such. Dealers should know better..

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-FENDER-CUSTOM-SHOP-51-ESQUIRE-Ltd-No-16-20-ANDY-BAXTER-BASS-GUITARS/183590919763
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  • HenrytwangHenrytwang Frets: 155
    Ideal buy for a dentist with too many Paul Reed Smiths. It’ll look fabulous hanging on the wall in tha dining room.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 10640
    Genuine question; has anyone *ever* searched the word “rare” when looking for something on eBay? Why would you?
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 14247
    He's selling 82 other items which he's also overvalued by quite some margin. I admire his optimism, there just isn't enough of that in these days of doom and gloom.
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  • chrisj1602chrisj1602 Frets: 1029
    Ridiculous price, and also not New (other) like all of his guitars are listed - it’s used.

    He does have better taste in guitars than shoes though, I’ll give him that.
    Chris.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 12258
    What's with this team built thing? Are they tagging in and out when they get exhausted or something? It doesn't take that long for just one person to put some parts together. It's not like they are actually making anything?
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    axisus said:
    What's with this team built thing? Are they tagging in and out when they get exhausted or something? It doesn't take that long for just one person to put some parts together. It's not like they are actually making anything?
    Sadly even the masterbuilt are now in reality teambuilt.....its a wonder no one has sued Fender for trades descritpion yet.

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 36108
    Strat54 said:

    Sadly even the masterbuilt are now in reality teambuilt.....its a wonder no one has sued Fender for trades descritpion yet.
    Sadly?

    As I said earlier, Team Built is better in my experience. I’ve never played a single Masterbuilt I really liked or thought it was as good as any Team Built I've played.

    If you think about it, why would it be? Fenders were designed from the ground up to be mass-produced by factory workers - assembled from machine-made parts - each specialising in one job. Team Built is just that.

    'Masterbuilt' is just a marketing concept to pander to the idea that something made by hand by one person is better than something made on a production line. It isn't.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • bbill335bbill335 Frets: 694
    Strat54 said:
    Whilst we are on with ridiculous ebay claims, someone wants to tell Andy Baxter that this guitar didn't leave the Custom Shop as a RELIC for god's sake. Some dreadful sanding on body and hardware gone on here. Only Vince Cunetto and team were doing relic work for the shop back then, and they ALL had an imprint logo on the headstock rear with no decal as such. Dealers should know better..

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-FENDER-CUSTOM-SHOP-51-ESQUIRE-Ltd-No-16-20-ANDY-BAXTER-BASS-GUITARS/183590919763
    oof, that poor metal hardware. total botched relic.
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    ICBM said:
    Strat54 said:

    Sadly even the masterbuilt are now in reality teambuilt.....its a wonder no one has sued Fender for trades descritpion yet.
    Sadly?

    As I said earlier, Team Built is better in my experience. I’ve never played a single Masterbuilt I really liked or thought it was as good as any Team Built I've played.

    If you think about it, why would it be? Fenders were designed from the ground up to be mass-produced by factory workers - assembled from machine-made parts - each specialising in one job. Team Built is just that.

    'Masterbuilt' is just a marketing concept to pander to the idea that something made by hand by one person is better than something made on a production line. It isn't.
    It didn't used to be that way though when you had guys like J.W.Black, John Suhr, Alan Hamel, Fred Stuart, Michael Stevens working solely on the guitars they built in the 90's then there was a perceivable difference in quality, not huge but it was there. As soon as the Fender execs upped the production levels post 1999 and introduced masterbuilders assistants these guys left and set up their own companies. After all if you had any integrity why would you want to have your name on a guitar that was mostly built by another worker? They have one guy spraying ALL the guitars for example....teambuilt & masterbuilt. Always makes me smile when you see people raving on about the finish on their £5k masterbuilt....its the same as on them all and done by Jay Nelson. 

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  • GassageGassage Frets: 21594
    I'd value that original Tele at 1700 tops. Ridiculous price.

    My Cunetto is JW Black built- embossed stamp.

    Also worth noting re Andy's black tele, all relics had an R serial number.

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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2329
    Gassage said:
    I'd value that original Tele at 1700 tops. Ridiculous price.

    My Cunetto is JW Black built assembled - embossed stamp.

    Also worth noting re Andy's black tele, all relics had an R serial number.
    FTFY!

    Also, re the R serial number, there’s a lot of limited edition Relics and other specials that have a serial number starting with CZ and not R.
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    Gassage said:
    I'd value that original Tele at 1700 tops. Ridiculous price.

    My Cunetto is JW Black built assembled - embossed stamp.

    Also worth noting re Andy's black tele, all relics had an R serial number.
    FTFY!

    Also, re the R serial number, there’s a lot of limited edition Relics and other specials that have a serial number starting with CZ and not R.
    RE the Andy Baxter guitar: Not back in the pre time machine era  called the Cunetto era from Jan 1995- May 1999. There were a handful of limited editions that had a 'X' of 6 embossed on headstock rear , some of those made for Norms had his NRG serial plates and there were the CC series made for Arbiter and the PD series made for the EU platinum dealers. Other than that the R series was standard issue. ALL had the embossed decal and non had the transfer decal. 
    Your J.W.Black @Gassage would have been all done with him, he wasn't of the just final assemble era. Have one of his Tele's, its pretty unique feeling. I remember your guitar from the TGP days. 
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2329
    Strat54 said: Your J.W.Black @Gassage would have been all done with him, he wasn't of the just final assemble era. Have one of his Tele's, its pretty unique feeling. I remember your guitar from the TGP days. 
    I thought that raw bodies, necks and hardware were shipped off to Vince and his team and were painted and aged by them, and then bagged up according to which body, neck and hardware went together well from an aging point of view; then they were shipped backed to the Custom Shop to be assembled by the team there. If not that, what do you think the process was?
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 10516
    axisus said:
    What's with this team built thing? Are they tagging in and out when they get exhausted or something? It doesn't take that long for just one person to put some parts together. It's not like they are actually making anything?
    The team comprises five people. Four of them have one neck screw each and the fifth shouts "GO!"
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1156
    Strat54 said: Your J.W.Black @Gassage would have been all done with him, he wasn't of the just final assemble era. Have one of his Tele's, its pretty unique feeling. I remember your guitar from the TGP days. 
    I thought that raw bodies, necks and hardware were shipped off to Vince and his team and were painted and aged by them, and then bagged up according to which body, neck and hardware went together well from an aging point of view; then they were shipped backed to the Custom Shop to be assembled by the team there. If not that, what do you think the process was?
    Yes that's correct but possibly not if you specified one built by J.W.Black, he did ageing work too. When he left Fender he did the early Suhr Antiques for John and the Linhof guitars. 
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