Is the Apple Mac on the way out?

Freebird

That was a quick turnaround.

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tools-users-abandoning-apple-mac-for-microsoft-windows-new-poll-shows-alarming-results

Philtre

In terms of hardware, Macs are underpowered and expensive compared to what you can build in a PC. One can easily spec a very powerful PC for much less money.

A well configured PC with Windows 10 is very stable for making music.

But if you want to make some phat beatz on your iWatch, Apple has you covered.

(I regularly use both PCs and Macs)

WiresDreamDisasters

I run a dual-boot machine. One partitution is a hackintosh running High Sierra, and the other runs Windows 10.

There's no real reason for my to use the Hack partition anymore, but I still do coz I like the OS and the way it works. But all of my software apart from Logic Pro X (which I rarely use) is cross-platform.

Apple hardware is not superior in anyway. Rumours are they're moving towards dropping the Intel chips:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-02/apple-is-said-to-plan-move-from-intel-to-own-mac-chips-from-2020

Philtre

WiresDreamDisasters said:

One partitution is a hackintosh running High Sierra, and the other runs Windows 10.

"partitution" - this is my new word of the day.

WiresDreamDisasters

hahahahaha, always proof read kids!

Freebird

Philtre said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

One partitution is a hackintosh running High Sierra, and the other runs Windows 10.

"partitution" - this is my new word of the day.

Is it legal?

prowla

I run VMs in a Mac laptop for work.

prowla

The problem with the Mac mini was that they made it brain-dead by welding the memory to the motherboard. They've then released a new model, but it is just plain too expensive.

However, most Mac users go for laptops anyway and there's nothing on the market that matches a Mac laptop.

Philtre

prowla said:

...and there's nothing on the market that matches a Mac laptop.

Sadly that's true, which is why I just bought a new one.

As for my last Mac Mini, it was one of the best from 2010-11, upgraded RAM, 512gb SSD, i7. Until the logic board went poof. And now it's a doorstop. If that had happened on my home-built PC I would have just bought a new mobo. So no more Mac Minis for me.

Funkfingers

prowla said:

The problem with the Mac mini was that they made it brain-dead by welding the memory to the motherboard. They've then released a new model, but it is just plain too expensive.

The Mac Mini business model depends very much on the purchaser already having a suitable mouse, keyboard and monitor. Nowadays, you can add a trackpad and an external optical disc drive to that list.

I fancied buying one but the outlay for a proper monitor and a Thunderbolt-compatible audio/MIDI interface were prohibitive.

WiresDreamDisasters said:

hackintosh

This is an increasingly tempting option. I have a Mac Pro G5 shell that I could gut for such a project. 

Fretwired

Interesting take from last year ..

Funkfingers

Pretty much have to agree with everything that Rick said in that video.

Simultaneous built-in obsolescence and built-in customer infantilisation, railroading users into having to do or buy stuff that should not be necessary.

Fretwired

Apple's new slogan ...

Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices

spark240

How easy is it to move your whole DAW system from Mac to PC ?

Philtre

spark240 said:

How easy is it to move your whole DAW system from Mac to PC ?

Software part is easy assuming you have it for PC. What sound card/device do you have?

WiresDreamDisasters

spark240 said:

How easy is it to move your whole DAW system from Mac to PC ?

A ballache if you use logic. Because your projects wont just open in any DAW. And plugins wouldn't be linked anyway due to the differences between Audiounits and VST's.

Shark_Eyes

I work in the design industry and where Mac was once king, it's becoming less ubiquitous, as there's never enough ports, everything needs a converter and they're massively overpriced. I'm going to replace my work Mac Pro with a Windows Surface this year, and I can't wait.

guitarfishbay

WiresDreamDisasters said:

spark240 said:

How easy is it to move your whole DAW system from Mac to PC ?

A ballache if you use logic. Because your projects wont just open in any DAW. And plugins wouldn't be linked anyway due to the differences between Audiounits and VST's.

IIRC he uses Studio One. So it kind of depends if you used AU or VST, also some shortcuts may change due to the different keyboard

prowla

Philtre said:

prowla said:

...and there's nothing on the market that matches a Mac laptop.

Sadly that's true, which is why I just bought a new one.

As for my last Mac Mini, it was one of the best from 2010-11, upgraded RAM, 512gb SSD, i7. Until the logic board went poof. And now it's a doorstop. If that had happened on my home-built PC I would have just bought a new mobo. So no more Mac Minis for me.

My Mac mini 2011 pooped too and I haven't replaced it.

I'm now using a Dell micro running Linux as my main desktop.

prowla

Funkfingers said:

prowla said:

The problem with the Mac mini was that they made it brain-dead by welding the memory to the motherboard. They've then released a new model, but it is just plain too expensive.

The Mac Mini business model depends very much on the purchaser already having a suitable mouse, keyboard and monitor. Nowadays, you can add a trackpad and an external optical disc drive to that list.

Isn't that the case with other PCs too?

prowla

Shark_Eyes said:

I work in the design industry and where Mac was once king, it's becoming less ubiquitous, as there's never enough ports, everything needs a converter and they're massively overpriced. I'm going to replace my work Mac Pro with a Windows Surface this year, and I can't wait.

Good luck with the Surface!