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Tat2dsteshTat2dstesh Frets: 71
I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 10887
    I don't think Orange have ever been part of any "big 2" - that's Fender and Marshall, and Vox 3rd surely? 

    Below that I see Blackstar and I guess Victory as the "first valve amp" category, but not so much beyond that once people know a bit more of what character they want, with Laney and Orange both quite popular but so unassuming noone ever really talks about them (and I love Laney, fwiw)
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  • randellarandella Frets: 2053
    edited February 12
    The choice, even when I started out in the late 80's, was getting better.  At the bottom end, we were still using cheapo solid-state stuff, a lot of which was not very good but the stuff we aspired to was no longer just Marshall, Orange, Vox or Fender.  Mesa/Boogie made drool-worthy stuff, Clapton had just started killing it live with Soldanos, the rock and metal guys were using VHT and Rivera.

    Fast-forward to now, the choice is staggering.  You can make a very respectable noise with a £150 amp and the selection available at the top end is just mind-bending.  All points in between covered too.  I guess it's going to seem like we're more fad-prone but an amp these days has to be very, very good indeed to make an impact - and six months later there'll be something better.

    TL;DR - we're spoiled and fickle
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2706
    I'm not sure that it's manufacturers that become fashionable so much as a single product or range of products.
    The likes of Marshall and Fender are so big that they put out new ranges regularly and keep in the customers view with advertising and endorsements. Sometimes those products are average and sometimes very good, but thier brand legacy sees them through a bad patch (for now anyway).
    Over the decades manufacturers have come and gone. Impact, Selmar, HH, Carlsbro, FAL, Randell, Peavey, Crate, Aligator, Kustom, Davoli, Bugera, Yamaha, Roland, Engl, Gibson, LAB, Carvin, Music man and WEM to name a few. Some have endured and have products sought after, others endure because they were mass produced but built to last (Peavey).
    On the other hand some people change thier amp as often as thier underkecks in spite of owning something quite wonderful. How often have we read of people saying they used to own xxx and why did they ever sell it! So after a lot of new product sales there will be a following movement of used examples.
    At different times various manufacturers have been in accendency, back in the day Peavey were on just about every stage in the USA and quite a few over here too.
    I think the ideal is to buy something because you like the sound and can get something from it musically, try not to be swayed by fashion and advertising bollocks. There are good new products becomming available all the time but you may already have something more suitable.

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  • GadgetGadget Frets: 657
    Who cares whether or not they come back into fashion?

    If an amp sounds good and is repairable by any competent tech (as most valve amps and many solid states are) then get one you like and don't look back.

    Six of my nine amps are made by companies that don't even exist any more, but I care not one jot :)
    I think, therefore.... I... ummmm........
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  • Probably told this story before but I have this memory of going to MX in Birmingham probably 30+ years ago to have a mooch around and there was a chap who was trying to trade in his Orange stack. I don't think I'd seen one before ( certainly not up close) so was quite interested. He was told there was no market for Orange gear anymore and it was all basically worthless and they wouldn't have it in trade. 
    I hope he hung onto it and sold it for a small fortune a few years later.
    I don't know about fads but there are certainly fashions in these things. 
    Assholes are like opinions - mine’s on the internet. 
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  • The paint and paper people?
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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3897
    There was an amp that was very “in” about 4 years ago that I haven’t heard of since, I don’t even remember the name now!  Some kind of Marshall in a box thing.


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  • DominicDominic Frets: 4614
    more true of pedals than amps.....
    Strymon Sunset , Bliss Brothers , KOT . Hudson Broadcast. ..............all same meat different gravy to some degree
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4607
    I see more fads in the boutique end generally
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  • soma1975soma1975 Frets: 719
    Yep am expecting a ton of Hudsons and Chase Bliss pedals to be dirt cheap on sale in 12 months once they fall out of fashion.
    My Trade Feedback Thread is here

    Been uploading old tracks I recorded ages ago and hopefully some new noodles here.
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  • dindudedindude Frets: 6123
    I too see it more with boutique amps.

    Toneking is the thing.
    No, Lazy J.
    Simply must have a Louise Electric
    No, this year it’s Milkman.
    But what about Bartel amps.

    They all end up on the classifieds in the end.
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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3897
    I remember that amp !!! Carol Ann !!!

    Whatever happened to that brand? It's gone totally off the radar.


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  • soma1975soma1975 Frets: 719
    In fairness I'd bloody love a Tone King
    My Trade Feedback Thread is here

    Been uploading old tracks I recorded ages ago and hopefully some new noodles here.
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 711
    I tend to be interested in new amps, think about it, then stick to one of the major big sellers, like a nice clean Fender 1x12 combo. 

    I do have an Orange Dual Terror and it's a fantastically simple and light bit of kit.

    The hype over the Boss Katana was worth it; stupidly cheap and sounds fantastic.

    I don't see a lot of people talking about Victory at all. Maybe they are more popular in the USA?
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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 6490
    edited February 13
    Cornford - I love my RH30 and see no reason selling it cos is 'no longer a thing'...


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  • I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3897
    I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
    My brother in law has or had a Blackstar 1 watt head thing.  I have a friend who has a Blackstar 5W combo thing, neither of them are into forums or up to date what is fad.

    Neither of them have ever heard of Bogner or Lazy J until they seen mine.  But is Bogner a fad? the brand is like 30 years old!
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  • MattBansheeMattBanshee Frets: 911
    edited February 13
    I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
    My brother in law has or had a Blackstar 1 watt head thing.  I have a friend who has a Blackstar 5W combo thing, neither of them are into forums or up to date what is fad.

    Neither of them have ever heard of Bogner or Lazy J until they seen mine.  But is Bogner a fad? the brand is like 30 years old!
    I think the Blackstar 1w and 5w options are much more mainstream as they are probably the most useable and accessible valve home/practice amps out there.

    I think Bogner did have its fad phase in the mid-2000s at the same kinda time as Diezel (and Mesa Dual Recs) when they were in vogue for American high-gain tones, but expensive and harder to get over here.
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  • sgosdensgosden Frets: 816

     
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.

    Have and use a VX Kraken (though Helix gets more play time, mostly for portability).

    Don't use the second channel, but really like gain 1. Boosted with a TS is a nice chunky rock/metal tone.

    My first one died within 2 minutes of turning on, but Victory/Andertons replaced it with a few days and I've had no complaints since.

    Its a solid little box of rock. I've seen quite a few on stages in the past year, but not as many as I have Peavy/Marshall/Blackstar.

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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 711
    I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
    LOL...
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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3897
    I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
    My brother in law has or had a Blackstar 1 watt head thing.  I have a friend who has a Blackstar 5W combo thing, neither of them are into forums or up to date what is fad.

    Neither of them have ever heard of Bogner or Lazy J until they seen mine.  But is Bogner a fad? the brand is like 30 years old!
    I think the Blackstar 1w and 5w options are much more mainstream as they are probably the most useable and accessible valve home/practice amps out there.

    I think Bogner did have its fad phase in the mid-2000s at the same kinda time as Diezel (and Mesa Dual Recs) when they were in vogue for American high-gain tones, but expensive and harder to get over here.
    To be fair, during those times, the 20th Silva Anniversary or the Dual Rec are both amazing amps and stood the test of time and the "fad" for those amps are fully deserved.

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  • timmypixtimmypix Frets: 311
    edited February 13
    I've noticed Amps get the amp of the year/month alot then people sell them off fast when they go out of fashion 

    Two of these makes does seem to be Victory and Blackstar. I know Laney had the same a few years back with the Ironheart series, while marshall and Orange seem to just remain the big two. 

    Does anyone think that these companies that once were the next big thing come back into fashion. 
    Victory and Blackstar appear 'faddish' because nobody actually buys them, they are both given out to young influencers like sweets at halloween. All the ACM students that work at Andertons seem to think that Victory are great ("sick tones bruv, it djents with this Chapman") despite the fact that I've never encountered anyone in the real world actually using one.
    Got a Sheriff 22 and a Kraken for two different bands. The Sheriff does the Marshall thing brilliantly, but sounds better and has more features than the DSLs and is cheaper and more manageable (size/volume/tone at usable volume) than a JCM/JVM.

    Kraken just has two different flavours of metal tone in it, and I knew I liked the Sheriff, so I figured I'd try it, and I love it! I did think it was too loud but now I'm in a metal project rather than just noodling at home it's great.

    Yes they've probably been brought to my attention due to their social media presence and current faddishness, but unless I need crystal clear cleans, these two amps have pretty much all the tones I'd need/be interested in covered. Can't see them being replaced when the next fad rolls around because I just think they're bloody good.
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  • gearaddictgearaddict Frets: 765
    Not sure about fads but when I started to play in bands was roughly about the time affordable valve amps started to appear. There were a couple at the time that were touted as being incredible value and the first truly affordable valve amps. One of them was the Randall RG50TC, which I bought and it was awful.
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  • DanRDanR Frets: 709
    I remember that amp !!! Carol Ann !!!

    Whatever happened to that brand? It's gone totally off the radar.


    There’s one sat in my practice room along with another fad in Friedman.

    Marshall have finally decided to make what I’ve wanted but I gave up waiting. 
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  • I remember that amp !!! Carol Ann !!!

    Whatever happened to that brand? It's gone totally off the radar.


    Carol Ann's are stunning at what they do - still available new (think Peach do them), and highly sort after int he states.  Definitely not "off the radar".

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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 941
    edited February 15
    The paint and paper people?
    My thoughts exactly when I read the thread title.

    They were once THE place to get paint and paper. What's the 'in' shop for that sort of thing now?

    Back on topic. Nothing wrong with Fender, Mesa Boogie and Marshall.
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 233
    edited February 15
    The new 20w range? Have you played either of them? The single channel Plexi looks great. 
    I remember that amp !!! Carol Ann !!!

    Whatever happened to that brand? It's gone totally off the radar.


    There’s one sat in my practice room along with another fad in Friedman.

    Marshall have finally decided to make what I’ve wanted but I gave up waiting. 

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  • prlgmnrprlgmnr Frets: 814
    edited February 16
    Simple isn't it, everything like is a timeless and consistent classic, and everything other people like that I don't is just a passing fad.
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  • DanRDanR Frets: 709
    The new 20w range? Have you played either of them? The single channel Plexi looks great. 
    I remember that amp !!! Carol Ann !!!

    Whatever happened to that brand? It's gone totally off the radar.


    There’s one sat in my practice room along with another fad in Friedman.

    Marshall have finally decided to make what I’ve wanted but I gave up waiting. 

    Yeah I’m tempted by the Plexi and JCM but I’m happy with the Friedman so I’m going to not try the Marshall.

    Well maybe at some point when I give in.
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  • shaunmshaunm Frets: 1003
    I’ve never understood why this fad thing happens with amps. I don’t buy what’s fashionable I buy what I like and what sounds best for my needs. 

    I always thought that the high end market of pedals and amps are only there due to marketing. 
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