Joe Rogan VS Mike Tyson

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monquixote

Can't watch it now.

Anything interesting?

octatonic

monquixote said:

Can't watch it now.

Anything interesting?

Mike has never drunk a cup of coffee.

CHRISB50

I forgot about this. Cheers for posting.

I want to watch the one with Alex Jones.

monquixote

I didn't watch it at the time because I have a bit of a problem with how much people idolise a convicted rapist.

That said I've heard a few people say it's remarkable what a different person he is since his fighting days so I'm considering giving it a watch.

prowla

As a boxer he was awesome.

I've never been one for following celebrity, though.

WiresDreamDisasters

monquixote said:

I didn't watch it at the time because I have a bit of a problem with how much people idolise a convicted rapist.

That said I've heard a few people say it's remarkable what a different person he is since his fighting days so I'm considering giving it a watch.

He did his time. There must always be a path to redemption for people like him - his upbringing was atrocious, and boxing stopped him from becoming something much worse.

joneve

Thanks for this. I don't often listen to the Joe Rogan Podcast, but I'll queue this one up.

For info, the one where he spoke to Ross Edgley (the guy who swam around the whole of Britain without stepping foot on land) is interesting. I might be biased as he's an old school friend of mine, but he's really enthusiastic about it and it's very infectious and an interesting listen. 

57Deluxe

Yeah, but I bet Mike Tyson couldn't handle Rogan Josh...

Caffeine_Vampire

Thanks for posting this. 

monquixote

WiresDreamDisasters said:

monquixote said:

I didn't watch it at the time because I have a bit of a problem with how much people idolise a convicted rapist.

That said I've heard a few people say it's remarkable what a different person he is since his fighting days so I'm considering giving it a watch.

He did his time. There must always be a path to redemption for people like him - his upbringing was atrocious, and boxing stopped him from becoming something much worse.

I do agree.

I think the loss of faith in the concept of redemption is one of the biggest problems we face.

Caffeine_Vampire

Didn’t he always deny the rape? Isn’t he bound by a gag order where the rape is concerned?

monquixote

Caffeine_Vampire said:

Didn’t he always deny the rape? Isn’t he bound by a gag order where the rape is concerned?

I think he went to jail for it?

Caffeine_Vampire

monquixote said:

Caffeine_Vampire said:

Didn’t he always deny the rape? Isn’t he bound by a gag order where the rape is concerned?

I think he went to jail for it?

Yeah but he’s never admitted to rape as far as I’m aware and he’s legally obliged to not tell his side. 

WiresDreamDisasters

Caffeine_Vampire said:

monquixote said:

Caffeine_Vampire said:

Didn’t he always deny the rape? Isn’t he bound by a gag order where the rape is concerned?

I think he went to jail for it?

Yeah but he’s never admitted to rape as far as I’m aware and he’s legally obliged to not tell his side. 

This is true. But the evidence at the time supported the guilty verdict.

The guy has had a really insane life. I just read that his 4 year old daughter died when she accidentally got tangled in the cables on a treadmill machine. OMG.

underdog

Caffeine_Vampire said:

monquixote said:

Caffeine_Vampire said:

Didn’t he always deny the rape? Isn’t he bound by a gag order where the rape is concerned?

I think he went to jail for it?

Yeah but he’s never admitted to rape as far as I’m aware and he’s legally obliged to not tell his side. 

If memory serves me correctly he pleaded no contest

Snap

There is something very tragic about Tyson. Immense boxing talent, and quite a bright man, but his life has been a series of disasters and missed opportunities. As soon as Cus D'Amato died, he was lost. Everything about his life went down the toilet after that and he lost the plot in just about every way.

In his prime, he was a truly phenomenal boxer. Monstrously powerful and fast. His early fights were (for a boxing fan) captivating. Hadn't seen that sort of explosive relentless power since Foreman. Foreman in his prime, pre Rumble in The Jungle is something to see too. His demolition of Frazier and Norton: wow.

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Snap said:

There is something very tragic about Tyson. Immense boxing talent, and quite a bright man, but his life has been a series of disasters and missed opportunities. As soon as Cus D'Amato died, he was lost. Everything about his life went down the toilet after that and he lost the plot in just about every way.

In his prime, he was a truly phenomenal boxer. Monstrously powerful and fast. His early fights were (for a boxing fan) captivating. Hadn't seen that sort of explosive relentless power since Foreman. Foreman in his prime, pre Rumble in The Jungle is something to see too. His demolition of Frazier and Norton: wow.

You have to understand that he was being trained since he was something like 13. Prior to that he had an alcoholic mother, he was into street crime and drugs, and was on a truly fucked path to hell. Boxing saved his life in many ways, and Cus D'Amato pulled him out of the hole he was in.

He talks about how he was trained in the interview - hypnosis and dehumanization.

Tragic yes. But also there is a ray of light and hopefulness there.

TTBZ

Not listened to this one yet but the most recent David Lee Roth podcast is great.

ourmaninthenorth

Utterly dangerous, conflicted, volatile human being.

I'd get on with him a treat.

That's what 23 years of sitting in meetings with my own recovery does, stops me judging people as much and admit, often scarily, that one identifies with large parts of another persons chaotic lived experience. 

Funny fookers, humans, aren't we?

DrJazzTap

Tyson in his prime was frightening! From what i recall from the Tyson film wasn't he fucked over by Don king and hangers on?
It was sad seeing him lose last fight, a shadow of his former self. The other guy then being able to say "i beat Tyson"...not the real Tyson. Same as Ali and later fights.