Behringer CS-80 Clone

Freebird

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/VuEJnqjKuKNnzNECwCscDR-650-80.jpg
https://www.musicradar.com/news/behringer-takes-no-time-in-releasing-early-images-of-its-cs-80-clone

gusman2x

Such a good idea. What do you reckon £800-1000?

Freebird

gusman2x said:

Such a good idea. What do you reckon £800-1000?

Maybe cheaper, they own a big factory complex over in China.

Funkfingers

Think of a number and double it. That would still be cheaper than buying and maintaining an original example.

Has anyone checked Superbooth for trade show demonstration videos?

Freebird

The TR-808 clone is $299.

octatonic

TR808 is a fairly simple circuit in comparison to the behemoth that is the CS80.
If this is under £1500 I will be very surprised.
You pay that for a Matrixbrute though so a CS80 clone for £1500 would be great.

goldtop

octatonic said:

TR808 is a fairly simple circuit in comparison to the behemoth that is the CS80.
If this is under £1500 I will be very surprised.
You pay that for a Matrixbrute though so a CS80 clone for £1500 would be great.

Play "guess the price" from the initial price of the Deepmind 12 - approx £900 when launched. Now factor in that it's got at least 2x the analogue electronics and 5x the physical hardware controls and this is at least £2500.

But the market is smaller for more expensive synths, so perhaps £2999 at launch settling to £2500 if/when Mr B recoups his development costs.

We'll know more if/when the UB-Xa gets a price tag.

meltedbuzzbox

I can't see behringer coming to market in that price bracket. I reckon 1500 absolute tops

chollockbops

Ah great, so now I have to save for the UB-Xa AND this. The ribbon controller looks a bit small, though.

I'm hoping the price will be a bit lower than whatever their first estimate will be - Uli's original price estimates for the VC-340 was $800-$1000 and it ended up £480 here, $600 in the US.

I hope it's a bit lighter than the original.

goldtop

meltedbuzzbox said:

I can't see behringer coming to market in that price bracket. I reckon 1500 absolute tops

Well, remember the prices of the X32, and remember that this is by far the most legendary+wanted synth ever. I'd expect the UB-Xa (far simpler) to be £1500ish. And the BS80 will be judged entirely by whether it delivers the CS-80 tone. Nothing else. He can't skimp on the controls to cut costs, either.

FWIW, I'd rather Behringer let the designers loose on a from-scratch high-end synth, but he hasn't got the cojones for that.

meltedbuzzbox

3k seems to put it dangerously close to deckards dream. 
I would have thought behringer can massively under cut that price

goldtop

meltedbuzzbox said:

3k seems to put it dangerously close to deckards dream. 
I would have thought behringer can massively under cut that price

$5000 not including a top-quality keyboard nor all the rest of the CS-80 gubbins. Black Corp concentrated on the internals and a cheap-as-possible control surface, refusing to do the costly development of a keyboard version.

Every would-be BS-80 buyer wants the CS-80's polyphonic aftertouch keyboard, which - as we all know - is part of the CS-80s expressive nature (see the #1 CS-80 player and composer). And so expensive to implement, that only a few synth manufacturers have ever bothered with it.

Let's see what the UB-Xa comes in at and extrapolate from that.

meltedbuzzbox

I thought the Decker's dream was £3300?

I have to be honest I have no real experience of the cs-80 and I've never seen one, let alone played one. Doesn't it weigh 200 lbs and have a ludicrous used price?

I have seen people on gearslutz moaning about the build quality on the Decker's and the extra cost on the expansion module. Again I haven't used one to know either way

GavRichList

Deckards have gone up a bit. mine was £3600, but they're circa £3800 now. Not in the least bit unhappy with it, nor would I sell to buy the Behringer + inevitable profit - the Deckards sounds stunning. 

Jonathanthomas83

Faaaaarrk me!

UB-Xa and this will be awesome!

GavRichList

the only Behringer I'm even vaguely interested in is the VC340. In truth, I really dislike the Behringer business model so I'd rather buy almost any serviceable alternative...I'm just struggling to find one and I'm not willing to pay vintage Roland prices. 

meltedbuzzbox

GavRichList said:

the only Behringer I'm even vaguely interested in is the VC340. In truth, I really dislike the Behringer business model so I'd rather buy almost any serviceable alternative...I'm just struggling to find one and I'm not willing to pay vintage Roland prices. 

So you'll be buying a model d then mate?

Jonathanthomas83

It doesn't quite feel 100%, I agree. But a lot of these companies have given up on these old circuits. Although, it's nice to see Yamaha paying attention to the CS-80 again, looking at that article. But Roland aren't doing anything about their older circuits except via digital representations. Gotta give it to Behringer for giving people what they want.