The Doctor Who thread

Fretwired

digitalscream said:

Fretwired said:

I misscounted .. you're right - 12 Doctors, although in Who folklore he's only allowed 12 regenerations. I'm guessing the Time Lords may bequeath a further 12 regenerations [as they now haven't been destroyed] .... ;-)

Aye. Don't forget that 12 regenerations means 13 Doctors, though (your previous post seems to imply 12).

In any case...yes, it's pretty much a given that he's going to get a bunch more regenerations at some point, because they certainly don't intend for Capaldi to be the last (otherwise why would they intentionally use up a regeneration when it could be explained away easily enough?).

Hang on I was right - Tennat used two regenerations. From the Radio Times article:

Officially until now, Matt Smith has been the 11th Doctor, meaning fans have started to wonder what will happen in 5-10 years time when we reach 13 after Peter Capaldi.

But Moffat has moved the goalposts, or perhaps more aptly stuck his own sonic screwdriver into the history of the show and given it a big twist.

On Saturday he told me Matt is actually the 13th and final doctor. John Hurt is officially now a doctor and David Tennant used up an extra regeneration during his stay.

In essence, the end of Matt at Christmas should mean the end of Doctor Who.

digitalscream

Lixarto said: Valeyard. Wasn't he only a potential future incarnation?

Lixarto

Can't remember off the top of my head, and I'm certainly not watching it again.

Off to TARDIS Data Core I go.

Fretwired

Lixarto said:

Valeyard.

That cropped up on Saturday ....

Fretwired

Lixarto said:

Can't remember off the top of my head, and I'm certainly not watching it again.

Off to TARDIS Data Core I go.

Wasn't it something to do with the Doctors dark side ... it will return in the last incarnation.

frankus

Well, I'm glad they didn't do the whole Star Trek reboot thing - and I feared they might.

As for Capaldi not feeling guilty - he will, Hurt said the timelines had been crossed and therefore he'd cease to remember - which is useful as the last three doctors would still believe they destroyed the timelords.. and have some angsty soliloquies.

So here's the thing ... if Galiffrey isn't time-locked and the destruction of the Daleks wasn't timey wimey - how do you get Metaltrons and Rassilon zapping The Master?

digitalscream

frankus said:

So here's the thing ... if Galiffrey isn't time-locked and the destruction of the Daleks wasn't timey wimey - how do you get Metaltrons and Rassilon zapping The Master?

Well, the events of the Time War are still time-locked (The Moment was the only reason the assorted Docs could get back in, and there's nothing left that they know of that's powerful enough to do that). Rassilon got to The Master before the end of the war, so that all still works.

The only thing that's changed is the way the war ended - everybody still thinks that it was mutual destruction, it's just that Gallifrey is stuck in a parallel universe and locked into a single moment until it can be brought back.

What I don't get is that previously the Doctor gave his reasons for ending it the way he did as being that the universe was better off without Daleks or Time Lords in it - he blamed both for the war, and he described the Time Lords as basically a shower of bastards. Why, then, should he be so excited at the prospect of bringing Gallifrey back?

Lixarto

Because you love your family even when you don't like them perhaps?

Monkeybone

Lixarto said:

Valeyard.

I did wonder how they were going to fit that in. Between the 12th and 13th, right?

EricTheWeary

Lixarto said:

Because you love your family even when you don't like them perhaps?

I get enough of that from my psychotherapist without getting it on here, thank you very much.


Oh, the Doctor, oh...

Fretwired

Lixarto said:

Because you love your family even when you don't like them perhaps?

Probably wants a new TARDIS ... it' about time it changed from a police box.

Lixarto

Yes. And they'll change the music too.

bigdawg

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Fretwired

Lixarto said:

Yes. And they'll change the music too.

Is this happening then? A reboot after the 12th Doctor? Someone quoted Moffat as saying he's set everything up for the Doctor to morph into a woman.

Monkeybone

bigdawg said:

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Hurt is in between McGann and Ecclestone.

not_the_dj

Monkeybone said:

bigdawg said:

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Hurt is in between McGann and Ecclestone.

I'm only a casual fan of all this, but was there or wasn't there a regeneration sequence where McGann changed into Ecclestone...?

Fretwired

not_the_dj said:

Monkeybone said:

bigdawg said:

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Hurt is in between McGann and Ecclestone.

I'm only a casual fan of all this, but was there or wasn't there a regeneration sequence where McGann changed into Ecclestone...?

This ...

Monkeybone

not_the_dj said:

Monkeybone said:

bigdawg said:

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Hurt is in between McGann and Ecclestone.

I'm only a casual fan of all this, but was there or wasn't there a regeneration sequence where McGann changed into Ecclestone...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo

Explains why nobody saw McGann's regeneration.

Monkeybone

Fretwired said:

not_the_dj said:

Monkeybone said:

bigdawg said:

so if im reading this right / watched correctyl saturday john hurt goes back in time and morphs into capaldi - is hethen going to be an older or younger version of an 'existing' Dr and then gets another dozen or so lives for saving galifrei..?!?!

Hurt is in between McGann and Ecclestone.

I'm only a casual fan of all this, but was there or wasn't there a regeneration sequence where McGann changed into Ecclestone...?

This ...

Is that fan made? Because that shows McGann after he regenerated from McCoy in the morgue.

not_the_dj

Can't do youtube right now, but I assume I haven't actually spotted a big hole in the whole thing and it's all explained.