Rhythms and poly rhythms ~ with a little Indian spice

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  • OK, here is a bit more from the John Mclaughlin - Konokol - the Gateway to Rhythm series,
    (the video above, courtesy of @Barney is chapter 2)
    (more to come later)

    Chapter 00 ~ Introduction


    Duration 5:43

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  • Chapter 01


    Duration 7:12

    And here is Chapter 02 again for the sake of completeness


    Duration 8:46

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  • Chapter 03

    Duration 7:25

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  • GizmoGizmo Frets: 367
    edited February 2015
    Great thread,just finished up watching this Mattias vid on Konnakol thought id add it to the long list of others already posted


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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    What a great video, thanks for posting it @Gizmo    :)

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Chapter 4     

    Duration 9:21

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Time for an interlude on the JM videos:

    LeedsCollegeofMusic ~ Mastering rhythm with Konokol - Asaf Sirkis ~  Mustard and strawberries?  

    Duration 4:50

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  • hootsmonhootsmon Frets: 8807
    edited October 2015

    @chrismusic


    watching the Doctor cat lessons........

    5's........Ta Din Gi Na Tom

    if I were counting 5's over a 4/4 could I count the gi na tom part as a triplet (2+3), 3 notes in the space of two?

    I can't count the 5 over 4, evenly spaced, but it makes sense if I approach the last 3 notes as a triplet

    tae be or not tae be
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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Hey there @hootsmon, sorry for not replying, I haven't been around much for a while, and you are pretty scarce lately, hope everything is OK with you.

    It's all about timing and phrasing IMHO.  The Indian choices of words are not entirely impartial to phrasing, and emphasis, and you can further modulate that by your choices of accenting.  There seems to me to be a natural triplet "canter / gallop" (for want of a better phrase) to the way "Gi Na Tom" falls from the tongue.  You could try counting in fives against a metronome with the full "Da Di Gi Na Dom" (or it's linguistic variants) until you get it temporally and mathematically accurate.  Or play with the phrasing and flavours by more loosely interpreting the rhythmic patterns.

    To that end I see no reason for not playing around with 2 beats and a triplet over the bar, it's just another interpretation, as long as you know why you are doing it, and what affect it has on the musical context.  Whatever pleases you and your ear is usually cool...

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  • GassageGassage Frets: 20525
    The best Polly rhythm


    Donald Trump has spoken movingly about 7-Eleven. It reminded him, he said, of the way Americans came together in 1941 after Pearl Necklace.

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Thanks @Gassage, does that mean we have finally reached nirvana ?

    If that's moksha, I want my money back...

    Not sure this was quite my aspirational journey, or my intended destiny though    >-)

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  • GassageGassage Frets: 20525
    Thanks @Gassage, does that mean we have finally reached nirvana ?

    If that's moksha, I want my money back...

    Not sure this was quite my aspirational journey, or my intended destiny though    >-)
    When I watched that I realised what a genius we lost.

    Donald Trump has spoken movingly about 7-Eleven. It reminded him, he said, of the way Americans came together in 1941 after Pearl Necklace.

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Time for an update, methinks...

    John Mclaughlin - Konokol - the Gateway to Rhythm series

    Chapter 5: odd time sigs    


    Duration 17:07

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    And maybe time for another deviation ~

    The trick to getting the rhythm of English right is all to do with the pattern of stressed and unstressed syllables when we talk. We speak in a pattern of iambs - an unstressed syllable followed by a stressed syllable. Speech that reflects this natural rhythm feels like music to our ears. When speech does not reflect this rhythm, it is difficult to understand and sounds unpleasant to native speakers.
    Also find out about iambic pentameter - the special rhythm that is used in famous British poetry and by the dramatist Shakespeare.


    Duration 9:03

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Singers - Develop Rhythm through Rap ~ not great, but you get the idea ?


    Duration 4:33

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    And this is an EXCELLENT example of what I mean ~  (great guitar too, great musicianship in the rest of the band, tight!)  Who says guitar is dead ?

    Jessie J - Bang Bang | T in the Park 2015


    Duration 4:44

    and if you want a bit more ~ highlights:


    Duration 21:27

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  • vizviz Frets: 4942
    edited August 2016
    I just want to reference Tchaikowsky's 2nd movement of his 6th symphony here - it's in good ole 5/4, which is hardly the most outlandish time sig, but just check out how beautifully comfortable the first couple of minutes sound, and then the middle section at 2:50-4:20 is just so natural it's hard to believe it's not in 4/4 with a slight lilt. Though how come the Vienna orchestra has like 3 women, all the rest are middle-aged white males?!


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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5437
    RE: odd time sigs.  I read an Andy Timmons interview, done shortly after the Protocol III album and he said he doesn't really think about the time sig and basically just feels it.  

    Regarding 5 note groupings - I know what notes I want to hit on each beat and concentrate on these and hope the rest lines up ok.  
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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Excellent example @Viz, I actually had to count it out as it felt so comfortable.  Which goes along with what @bingefeller says about Andy Timmons, I guess that well thought through music has a naturalness to it, which often disguises more complex writing.  One essence of good music ? 

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Al Di Meola "Al's Guitar Tips"


    Duration 10:40

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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5437
    It's funny you tagged me in this thread again @ChrisMusic - just last night I was trying to learn the Toto tune Jake To The Bone.  The riffs aren't that hard, but there is a 7/8 section and I am having problems getting it under my fingers!  Steve Lukather plays a D note on the second beat and if I can hit that with the snare I'm OK and can feel my way though the rest of the bar, but if I miss it I'm screwed! 
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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    About time to spice up your life   ;)

    (see what I did there ?)


    Chapter 6


    Duration 12:23


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    Chapter 7


    Duration 4:44


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    Chapter 8 ~ Finale Split Screen


    Duration 3:38


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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    edited November 2017
    It's about time to raise the rhythm awareness ???

    (see what I did there? ~ rhythms, it's about time ~ oh, please yourselves then...)   :-\"

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  • Dua Lipa performs New Rules on Later… with Jools Holland, BBC Two (31 October 2017)

    Just popped this here 'cause I like the groove !


    Duration 3:34

    https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgxlxVaHrQU

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    edited January 27
    Al Di Meola discusses rhythm techniques backstage in an interview with Stu Bull. Courtesy of LickLibrary.com.


    Duration 6:40

    https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HIY_IPIvCI

    With thanks to 
    @Fretwired ;;for posting this in another thread  

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  • vizviz Frets: 4942
    Can you fix that vid link? Cheers
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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    Thanks @viz , broke it when I edited the post, I should have known better !

    Trade secret...
    That's why I post the video link below the video itself, with a space after the https: so that it doesn't register as a link properly to the forum software.  That allows anyone to access the video via the address bar, and for me to easily fix this sort of (self inflicted) problem.  Copy, paste, delete the space, and the universal balance returns to normal, SNAFU  ;)

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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1116
    edited April 16
    What Makes John Bonham Such a Good Drummer?

    I thought that this was quite a good fit for this thread.
    I have also always been in awe of the power in John Bonham's playing.


    Duration 9:43

    https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvOm2oZRQIk

    With thanks to @notanon ;;;;for posting this in another thread  

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