School me on muffs (heh)

fretmeister

impmann said:

Nice but $219 is a bit 'ouch' really...

Much cheaper than that in the classifieds.....

mike_l

The closest I've got to the "Gilmour sound" is a Mr.Ed into a Distortron.

The distortron on the high-gain, but rolled back, rather than low-gain turned up

ThePrettyDamned

mike_l;408169" said:

The closest I've got to the "Gilmour sound" is a Mr.Ed into a Distortron.

The distortron on the high-gain, but rolled back, rather than low-gain turned up

So high gain with a compressor in front?

How conpressy are we talking? I've always thought he had quite a bit of touch control, despite the raging sustain, so I'm guessing not too squishy?

I'll have a play with the son of Hyde, but it's too raggedy I think - it's really gritty rather than smooth, and was the same even with a tubescreamer in front.

The distortron is bitchin' though, right?

mike_l

The Mr Ed is a fuzzy/dirty pedal, not a compressor.

The Distortron gives a nice low-gain crunch, and the Mr Ed boosts this into a lovely creamy, lead sound.

monquixote

viz said:

Why do people go for fuzz and not all-out full overdrive? Not saying they shouldn't, mind, it's just that to me fuzz sounds like OD with the drive turned down to tasteful levels. Nice work Monkey by the way. Love the speed up and solo on PTFM.

It's slightly different to my ears, it's a bit more compressed and a bit more synthy, a bit less obviously guitar. 

Summer Breeze is my touchstone for the type of stuff that I do. 

gjonesy

Im going to ask Santa for a Musket fuzz, muff with a Boost up its front

ThePrettyDamned

mike_l;408189" said:

The Mr Ed is a fuzzy/dirty pedal, not a compressor.

The Distortron gives a nice low-gain crunch, and the Mr Ed boosts this into a lovely creamy, lead sound.

Woops, mistook it for the Marshall ed!

I'll look into it

mike_l

You can try mine if you like.

ThePrettyDamned

mike_l;408254" said:

You can try mine if you like.

I'd love to - I'll see if I have anything you might like to borrow, but I've purged quite a lot recently.

Might be at the jam this Sunday, if you're there?

mike_l

Possibly out sunday evening.

Gassage

The closest I've got to the Gilmour muff sound is a Cornish P1 into a BK tube Driver into a Hiwatt. Much to my surprise it was quite close.

Beexter

With regards to Gilmour and muffs, it's a tricky one - as has been said in previous posts, there is often more than just the Muff making the overall tone - usually there's a booster, delay and a small amount of modulation. I tried a few muffs but could never get it quite right tone-wise. Closest I've got to that smooth Gilmour lead tone is the Buffalo FX Evolution. Smooth sustain for days with some great harmonics. It won't really do the really fuzzy muff tones but then it's not really a muff! If you want the low down on Muffs for Gilmour tones, check out Gilmourish.com or Kit Rae's Muff page. Both have some great demo's and clips.

mike_l

I believe Mr G uses an EQ (Boss GE-7) after his Muff for his tones.

ThePrettyDamned

Gassage;408306" said:

The closest I've got to the Gilmour muff sound is a Cornish P1 into a BK tube Driver into a Hiwatt. Much to my surprise it was quite close.

Ahhh okay, hadn't considered that. Don't suppose you'd consider lending the hiwatt, p1 and bk to me do you?

I just want to assess how close it gets. Honest.



I think I'm going to go for a muff clone that's hopefully better built than current ehx offerings, and hit it (or use it to hit) a boss ds-2 when I want to sound like John fru.

Probably a velvet. Because it does sound quite fantastic.

juansolo

My take on it (actually 5 pedals in there, new one is getting a different muff and delay, plus a CE-2).

Gassage

juansolo said:

My take on it (actually 5 pedals in there, new one is getting a different muff and delay, plus a CE-2).

@juansolo

You have a pm.

Gassage

ThePrettyDamned said:

Gassage;408306" said:

The closest I've got to the Gilmour muff sound is a Cornish P1 into a BK tube Driver into a Hiwatt. Much to my surprise it was quite close.

Ahhh okay, hadn't considered that. Don't suppose you'd consider lending the hiwatt, p1 and bk to me do you?

I just want to assess how close it gets. Honest.



I think I'm going to go for a muff clone that's hopefully better built than current ehx offerings, and hit it (or use it to hit) a boss ds-2 when I want to sound like John fru.

Probably a velvet. Because it does sound quite fantastic.

TPD

There's a lot to be said for a Rat into a TS808, although I'd probably use a GE7 or Source Audio EQ in lieu of the TS808 for venues that 'we' normally play.

meltedbuzzbox

Gassage said:

The closest I've got to the Gilmour muff sound is a Cornish P1 into a BK tube Driver into a Hiwatt. Much to my surprise it was quite close.

I really think the Hiwatt is a big contributor to that sound. 

I think his amps are the biggest shaper to his tone rather than gear choice.

Most fuzzes with big sustain into a hiwatt will get you there in my opinion 

Gassage

meltedbuzzbox said:

Gassage said:

The closest I've got to the Gilmour muff sound is a Cornish P1 into a BK tube Driver into a Hiwatt. Much to my surprise it was quite close.

I really think the Hiwatt is a big contributor to that sound. 

I think his amps are the biggest shaper to his tone rather than gear choice.

Most fuzzes with big sustain into a hiwatt will get you there in my opinion 

Yeah, there's some truth in that. However, I'd suggest it's more about an amp that loves pedals with loads of cleanness. A Twin just as good...

alalalkasar

Moving away from the expensive boutique kind of gear doesn't Frusciante just use a bog standard v9 muff? Isn't that the same one as EHX makes now?