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  • miserneilmiserneil Frets: 5530
    Not enough is done regarding hearing care. Cinemas play films too loudly. Gig volumes are general way too loud. The list goes on. 

    Regarding my other post, I swear my head feels a bit funny! I think I'm going to have to put off practice tomorrow as this is no good at all - feels like something's wrong.
    Totally agree. I haven't gone or worked at a gig without wearing my ACS15's for a good few years now. And if we go out with friends and (on the VERY rare occasion) end up in a club/disco, I always take them as a matter of course. The absolute shit sound quality and damaging frequency's pumped out by mediocre club systems is a joke.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5925
    Had loud tinnitus for many years. Sneezed heavily once and for several seconds it stopped! Then the volume was slowly turned up. The peace in those few seconds was heaven :((
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3779

    Well some of us only have ourselves to blame .... setting up the amp so it's loud enough for the people at the back of the pub to hear above the drums and then standing 2 feet in front of it .... the amps on a crate or stand "so I can hear it better"  :) Tinitus ? no shit Sherlock
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    edited June 2015
    Unfortunately a lot of pubs have a small performance area :( I couldn't believe the volume in the cinema last time I went
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3779
    Unfortunately a lot of pubs have a small performance area :(
    I played a wine bar last Friday night that was smaller than my lounge. Amp was mic'ed up as always, low stage volume PA doing all the work. I'm 46 now and been gigging since I was 15, I've done thousands but when I joined a band when I was 22 they made me play quiet onstage and mic'ed me up and I've been doing it ever since. I'm sure that's the only reason I don't have tinnitus yet . 
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    Good point. Maybe mic'ing up is the way to go.
    I do wear ACS pro 17s. I wonder if that's good enough...
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 5357
    Oh really?? I've an appointment next week (with GP) regarding the ear ringing. If this hasn't gone by then I'll mention it!
    By telling the physio which fingers were numb and/or tingling she was able to pinpoint which bit of the neck (insert appropriate medical wording here) was being pinched.
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    Well it's a gp I'm seeing and the day before I'm off for a week so if needed I can hopefully be referred
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5925
    STOP! Tinnitus is NOT caused by listening to loud noises. Plenty of folks who have quiet lives and quiet jobs have tinnitus. Thats why the internet and even the NHS is full of theories of how to treat it, even with counselling as mentioned earlier in the thread. There is some statistical correlation between tinnitus sufferers and those who have worked in noisy factories (and similar); but there is also statistical correlation between accidental drowning and ice-cream sales - but you wouldn't say there is a causal link. :)
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  • GuitarMonkeyGuitarMonkey Frets: 1871
    ftumch;663738" said:
    I've got almost permanent high pitch w hihining now, only noticeable when it's quiet but always when it's quiet rather than occasionally like before. Have real trouble hearing any conversation in loud environments. I've booked an appointment at boots hearing care for this Saturday, gonna get me some ACS pro 15's.Really wish I'd done this before.
    Sounds exactly like me. I struggle keeping up with conversations in the pub because I can't filter background noise.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 14658
    edited June 2015
    Pardon ?


    Oh... hang on...
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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  • capo4thcapo4th Frets: 3197
    Sorry what did you say ? I missed that...
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    So what IS tinnitus linked to?
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5925
    Its 'linked' to lots of things, in that modern bad science way. But what categorically causes it to happen in a particular individual is unknown. It is not yet possible to say that if individual A does activity X then they will suffer Tinnitus at time T in their life.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 10720
    Chalky said:
    Its 'linked' to lots of things, in that modern bad science way. But what categorically causes it to happen in a particular individual is unknown. It is not yet possible to say that if individual A does activity X then they will suffer Tinnitus at time T in their life.
    Maybe, but if you go somewhere really noisy it's not uncommon to come home with ringing ears. And in most of our experience standing next to a noisy drummer and a 50W amp for 3 hours on a Friday night ledas to the same thing. Are you saying you don't think the noise causes the ringing? Because that's both hilarious and terrifying.
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    Yeah - ears ring after a loud gig - surely related. Anything that causes the eardrum to "move" no? 
    I wonder if it's even just vibration (work tools or standing behind an amp) as well.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3779

    It's not just Tinnitus either but basic hearing damage. There comes a cycle where your hearing starts to deteriorate a bit so you turn up the volume to compensate but  then that's not enough, so you turn up a bit more .... always using volume to combat a problem caused by volume! There's one guy left in my main band now who's not on ears and the volume he has to have his wedges at is truly horrific ...   There will come a time when even that volume won't be enough 
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 4108
    Hearing damage is pretty subtle too - it's not just loud things not sounding as loud any more, but two specific and troubling things; firstly the loss of hearing around 2-3 kHz which means not being able to hear the articulation of vocals and many instruments as clearly. Second is the expansion of "Critical Bands" - that is, when you hear one sound, say for simplicity's sake with a frequency of 1000hz, that sound masks other quieter sounds around that frequency because the hairs in your cochlea are too busy vibrating to the loud sound. This happens normally, but with hearing damage the frequency range being masked increases so in complex sonic environments (loud pubs, full band mixes) it gets harder to focus in on specific sounds like voices to hold a conversation or one part of a mix.

    Which goes right back to the dilemma of being a performing musician who needs to CRANK their sound to hear it over, rather than within, the mix.

    I hate it. I have slight Tinnitus which comes and goes depending on several things - tiredness, coffee - still working out exactly what the triggers are.

    I always have ACS pro-17 earplugs on my person and use them whenever I think I need to. Occasionally I'll even wear them on the drive home to get a break.
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 5357
    Everything is too loud these days. Gigs can be horrendous, for some reason people think that you cannot watch a sporting event without music blasting out all over the place, or a PA announcement coming over at ear-splitting volume. And I will not spend money in a shop that insists on deafening its customers.

    And the radio. 5Live run ads and promos for their own programmes - you're listening to your programme and then suddenly A PROMO COMES ON AND YOU'RE BEING ASSAULTED BY A TRAILER FOR SOMETHING which is so bloody annoying, especisally if it's late.
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    IEMs.... to be honest I use Pro 17s and hope that's enough, and my amp isn't mic'd. Maybe I should re-think.

    Is it safe to wear Pro 17s whilst driving? I find sometimes road noise can be a pain, but that's maybe taking it to the limit! 
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    Oh, update! 

    Around afternoon time a couple of my right hand fingers just went dead numb so I went to the doctors. They're not sure if it's carpal tunnel or just some squeezed nerve around my elbow (it's not tendonitis as that would be more shooting pain in the tendon) so they've said to rest it over the next week and go back. Fat chance given how much work I do with the keyboard/computer but at least I'll give the guitar a rest - and this forum, to an extent! 

    She also checked out my ear drums... (yes, she was nice lol!). Left ear, no problem. 
    Right ear, previous scarring but she saw no rips. There's no clogging (and I just bought Earex, too!).
    Turns out.......... my ear drum is recessed slightly (into my head!). She says she's seen it before and it's like a suction effect, maybe if you've had a cold or something. Anyway she's given me nose drops! Sounds weird but I'll try it. I can still hear the high-frequency but it's not AS noticeable as two days ago - but still there! I wonder.... I do tend to wear ear plugs to bed to help me get to sleep (wonder if they've somehow gone too far in and nudged the ear drum - doubt it, though). I've now stopped doing that... 
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  • GuitarMonkeyGuitarMonkey Frets: 1871
    edited June 2015
    scrumhalf;664982" said:
    Everything is too loud these days. Gigs can be horrendous...
    You should've been around in the 70s when the ringing in your ears didn't stop until about 3 days after the gig.

    Gigs are much quieter these days.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5925
    Being exposed to loud noise for long periods = hearing loss almost certainly. But tinnitus is not caused by loud noises. It is emphasised by hearing loss, not caused by it. That is why tinnitus remedies include counselling, relaxation, avoidance of things that raise blood pressure, and so on. Science does not understand the real cause - it can only 'link' it to other hearing issues. But they're just clutching at straws. For example I have tinnitus but very rarely went to gigs, never worked in loud environments, and I was blessed with naturally low blood pressure and slow heart rate. So I shouldn't have it :) Desperate scientists and doctors will probably go back to that modern catch-all meaningless answer - "It must be genetic!"
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  • slackerslacker Frets: 1052
    I'm 53 and have mild tinnitus. I've used earplugs for gigs etc for 20 years. My Dad has suffered with it since his teens. Not sure what the equation is. Ignoring it helps. Reads this thread has brought it on. There's phone apps that play various noises for various time periods which has helped me in the past for sleeping. 


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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    Can still hear the ring in my right ear - it's ever so slight - a lot better than before but not going away. Still taking those nose drops the doctor gave me (she saw scarring but no holes in the ear drum and also saw that the ear drum is recessed...). The hope is the ear drum pushes back out !

    But worse... now both my hands are sore! I didn't play guitar for 3-4 days but after work today (and throughout the last few days) the fingers have been numb / felt sore at times. Weird that it's both hands now. If this is early onset arthritis, you can kill me now. Back to docs on Thursday anyway so will see what they say. 
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  • My right ear ringing is permanent, not so loud that I can't ignore it but it's pretty much always there. Quiet nights are when I notice it most.

    On the plus side, my tendonitis seems be not so bad at the mo' so swings and roundabouts, eh?
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749
    edited June 2015
    Told to take 6 ibuprofen a day for hand. Likely not carpal tunnel (says that doesn't really go away and people usually have to get an operation for that). The hand is worst after using a mouse for a while - my pinky tends to go numb!

    Eardrum.. Not only recessed but there's fluid behind it. So I've got some special balloon I have to blow up with my nose to help clear that lol!!

    Said tinnitus not always due to a hole in eardrum at all. Ear drum might look normal and you can still have it.
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 2316
    Blow a balloon up with your nose? Wow - I'd pay to watch that, any chance of pics?
    Did anyone bring the petits-fours?
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 2316
    Good news about the carpal tunnel, btw.
    Did anyone bring the petits-fours?
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 3749

    Has anybody ever thought about stopping playing and stopping listening to music so much (basically, stripping that out of your life) due to tinnitus? Extreme?


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