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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1261
    FarleyUK said:
    Hey guys, used to have a Helix about a year ago and.moved to an AX8. Not looking to start a war or anything, but one of the major differences I found between them was that the ax8 amps just felt and responded better; has this been addressed in the later Helix firmwares? Has the feel and responsiveness been improved?
    There haven't been any major changes to existing amps according to Line 6, but there have been quite a few new ones.  The default settings for some have been changed so they sound better before any tweaking.  For me, and I've played both, the Helix amps sound, feel, and respond every bit as good as the Axe FX and the UI is heaps better IMO.

    each to their own though, and if you like the axe fx then no need to change, I don't think one is sonically 'better' than the other, just a bit different.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2185

    I finally tried the Helix into a decent monitor and it sounded great.  I could easily use the Deluxe Reverb as my main sound.  That said I’ve just ordered a new amp, so I’ll be sticking to valve amps for the foreseeable.... 




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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 519
    FarleyUK said:
    Hey guys, used to have a Helix about a year ago and.moved to an AX8. Not looking to start a war or anything, but one of the major differences I found between them was that the ax8 amps just felt and responded better; has this been addressed in the later Helix firmwares? Has the feel and responsiveness been improved?
    No it's still absolutely diabolical and you'd really hate it.  To be honest I only use Helix for all my recordings, rehearsals and gigs because it's cheap and I couldn't afford a proper unit.  I have no ear for tone or feel or responsiveness or any of that obscure subjective stuff so it's not an issue for me that it is so bad.  It's a bloody good job the audiences are always profoundly deaf or I'd be completely screwed.
    “He is like a man with a fork in a world of soup.” - Noel Gallagher
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  • gearaddictgearaddict Frets: 498
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2185

    Quick question -  Updating a mates Helix, no idea what firmware he has.

    Do I just use the latest Helix edit to back up and then the latest editor to go direct to 2.60?
    Or do I need an older editor to back it up? 

    I've always been though each firmware upgrade incrementally, I seem to remember something about using older versions of the software if your Helix was several updates out-of-date.  Although may have dreamt that!!
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  • shuikitshuikit Frets: 132
    I just got a Helix which was on v1.something just fired up the updater software and it installed 2.6.  Funnily, it recommended that I did a full backup but when I started HX edit, it said I needed to update the firmware before I could use it!
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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 519
    edited July 11

    Quick question -  Updating a mates Helix, no idea what firmware he has.

    Do I just use the latest Helix edit to back up and then the latest editor to go direct to 2.60?
    Or do I need an older editor to back it up? 

    I've always been though each firmware upgrade incrementally, I seem to remember something about using older versions of the software if your Helix was several updates out-of-date.  Although may have dreamt that!!
    You have to backup using the version of the editor that is compatible with the firmware version you are starting with. 

    The upgrade procedure is different depending on whether you are starting with V2.20 or higher, or, V2.12.2 or lower.  The new upgrade procedure is very easy, the old one was much more of a faff.  The V2.30 release notes explain the different procedures:


     Also note that prior to V2.30 of the editor there was no "one button saves everything" backup function and no way to back up the global settings so these will be lost if starting with Helix firmware of V2.12.2 or lower.  Make a note of what the global settings all are before you start if in this situation unless your mate doesn't care about them all being lost.

    “He is like a man with a fork in a world of soup.” - Noel Gallagher
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  • duotoneduotone Frets: 216
    Finally got around to using & tweaking the Factory  template files on the Helix...very useful. 

    Not sure why it's taken me so long to do so, but better late than never!
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1261
    Just been playing with my Helix.  At the moment I'm pretty much using one patch (JCM800) with 4 snapshots and a few switchable effects for our whole set I've spent a lot of time on the patch and to my ears sounds great.  Today I  thought I'd just try some more of the amp models.  Have a couple of observations:

    Just using the default amp/cab block with no other effects other than a bit of reverb it sounds great.  I'm sure this wasn't the case on the release firmware 2 years ago.

    Switching between presets is almost gapless, again I'm sure this wasn't the case on the release firmware 2 years ago.


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  • simonksimonk Frets: 1090
    Updated both my Floor and LT to 2.6 earlier then promptly had to go through my presets (not too much ball ache as I only have 4 for gigging) and unwet the reverb. Everything is sounding sweet though and I’m loving the Cali Clean model.
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  • John_A said:
    Just been playing with my Helix.  At the moment I'm pretty much using one patch (JCM800) with 4 snapshots and a few switchable effects for our whole set I've spent a lot of time on the patch and to my ears sounds great.  Today I  thought I'd just try some more of the amp models.  Have a couple of observations:

    Just using the default amp/cab block with no other effects other than a bit of reverb it sounds great.  I'm sure this wasn't the case on the release firmware 2 years ago.

    Switching between presets is almost gapless, again I'm sure this wasn't the case on the release firmware 2 years ago.


    I’ll plus 1 this 
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1724
    I got mine on 8th April 2017 and I've never had problems switching presets - it's always been unnoticeable to me. But then I don't switch presets when actually playing, only in gaps.
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  • hubobuloushubobulous Frets: 1992

    Same here. I use snapshots within a song and change patches per song. If we play medleys, I just ensure that the patch is set up to cater for everything required which is normally quite easy

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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5730
    I got mine on 8th April 2017 and I've never had problems switching presets - it's always been unnoticeable to me. But then I don't switch presets when actually playing, only in gaps.
    If you switch from DSP intensive to DSP intensive patch whilst playing, clear gap. Hence the snapshot feature.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2185
    siremoon said:

    Quick question -  Updating a mates Helix, no idea what firmware he has.

    Do I just use the latest Helix edit to back up and then the latest editor to go direct to 2.60?
    Or do I need an older editor to back it up? 

    I've always been though each firmware upgrade incrementally, I seem to remember something about using older versions of the software if your Helix was several updates out-of-date.  Although may have dreamt that!!
    You have to backup using the version of the editor that is compatible with the firmware version you are starting with. 

    The upgrade procedure is different depending on whether you are starting with V2.20 or higher, or, V2.12.2 or lower.  The new upgrade procedure is very easy, the old one was much more of a faff.  The V2.30 release notes explain the different procedures:


     Also note that prior to V2.30 of the editor there was no "one button saves everything" backup function and no way to back up the global settings so these will be lost if starting with Helix firmware of V2.12.2 or lower.  Make a note of what the global settings all are before you start if in this situation unless your mate doesn't care about them all being lost.

    Thanks.  This is great.

    I take it if he’s not bothered about losing everthing and starting again, I can just update with the latest updater and go straight to 2.6?

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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 519
    edited July 13
    siremoon said:

    Quick question -  Updating a mates Helix, no idea what firmware he has.

    Do I just use the latest Helix edit to back up and then the latest editor to go direct to 2.60?
    Or do I need an older editor to back it up? 

    I've always been though each firmware upgrade incrementally, I seem to remember something about using older versions of the software if your Helix was several updates out-of-date.  Although may have dreamt that!!
    You have to backup using the version of the editor that is compatible with the firmware version you are starting with. 

    The upgrade procedure is different depending on whether you are starting with V2.20 or higher, or, V2.12.2 or lower.  The new upgrade procedure is very easy, the old one was much more of a faff.  The V2.30 release notes explain the different procedures:


     Also note that prior to V2.30 of the editor there was no "one button saves everything" backup function and no way to back up the global settings so these will be lost if starting with Helix firmware of V2.12.2 or lower.  Make a note of what the global settings all are before you start if in this situation unless your mate doesn't care about them all being lost.

    Thanks.  This is great.

    I take it if he’s not bothered about losing everthing and starting again, I can just update with the latest updater and go straight to 2.6?

    Yes, the correct version of the editor is only required to back up the settings before you start.

    BUT you still need to follow the correct update procedure for the build you're starting from.  If the old build is V2.12.2 or lower you can omit the steps to back up and restore HIS presets if he doesn't want them but DO NOT omit the step to restore the global settings and FACTORY presets.   
    “He is like a man with a fork in a world of soup.” - Noel Gallagher
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