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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12601
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Fretwired said:
    that's the one I was referring [Syphm Series strings] to in my post [immediately above yours]
    really beautiful ain't it…
    check out Cinematic Strings 2.. this is the one I'm using right now.. it's very similar sounding to NI Symphony Series Strings..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Clarky said:
    kin said:
    just had a quick scout through some of your stuff @Clarky ,  that first track sounds epic .
    Do you do most of it with a keyboard controller?

    I 'mouse' in the notes, velocities and other expressive characteristics.. even the drums..
    because I'm a crap keys player.. lol..
    when I'm composing, often I'm nowhere near a guitar or keyboard.. I'll hear it in my head and start scoring it..
    my 'portable DAW' is a notepad and a pen.. I carry it absolutely everywhere..
    try an Ableton Push2
    I can only play in C major/A minor really on a keyboard, and do not think I can find time to learn all keys & scales, but the Push lets you play chords and melodies in any key, including weird stuff and harmonic minors

    check out their videos 
    wow.. that looks like a useful lil' tool

    why not just play in a key you're familiar with, then select all the notes and drag them into the target key??
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Fretwired said:
    I have this… it's great too.. very heavy on resources though
    a massive percussion instrument is an absolute must for trailer music

    ever looked at the East West stuff? I don't have any of it myself but it is highly rated..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • Clarky said:
    Clarky said:
    kin said:
    just had a quick scout through some of your stuff @Clarky ,  that first track sounds epic .
    Do you do most of it with a keyboard controller?

    I 'mouse' in the notes, velocities and other expressive characteristics.. even the drums..
    because I'm a crap keys player.. lol..
    when I'm composing, often I'm nowhere near a guitar or keyboard.. I'll hear it in my head and start scoring it..
    my 'portable DAW' is a notepad and a pen.. I carry it absolutely everywhere..
    try an Ableton Push2
    I can only play in C major/A minor really on a keyboard, and do not think I can find time to learn all keys & scales, but the Push lets you play chords and melodies in any key, including weird stuff and harmonic minors

    check out their videos 
    wow.. that looks like a useful lil' tool

    why not just play in a key you're familiar with, then select all the notes and drag them into the target key??
    Imagine my joy in playing complicated-sounding triads and chord fragments against the tracks already recorded, thus using my ear and brain without 5 or 10 years of muscle memory needed to pay for it

    I'd say composing in one key then transposing was a more mathematical technique - valuable sometimes, but stopping you get a direct feel for what you are recording
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12601
    Clarky said:
    Fretwired said:
    I have this… it's great too.. very heavy on resources though
    a massive percussion instrument is an absolute must for trailer music

    ever looked at the East West stuff? I don't have any of it myself but it is highly rated..
    Yes I have seen the East West stuff .. check this out ...

    http://www.soundsonline-europe.com/composercloud
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Fretwired said:
    Clarky said:
    Fretwired said:
    I have this… it's great too.. very heavy on resources though
    a massive percussion instrument is an absolute must for trailer music

    ever looked at the East West stuff? I don't have any of it myself but it is highly rated..
    Yes I have seen the East West stuff .. check this out ...

    http://www.soundsonline-europe.com/composercloud
    jeez… that's bundle..
    when I was looking for my choirs, it was a very close run thing between East West and Sound Iron..
    and I knew that no matter which one I got I'd still be wanting the other… lmao..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    I've started using a lot more orchestra parts recently, but IO've always been a fan of big strings. I have Session Strings Pro and have also started expliring the factory library in Kontakt - there are some very big weighty settings in there, but of course no articulation.

    I can see symphonic brass and strings being bought at some point down the line.

    I've got a few synths that have good orchestra patches in them - Cakewalk's Rapture Pro is very good, as is Alchemy. Omnisphere 2 is excellent for vocal stuff - some v good choral and ethnic/tribal patches, and of course the ability to import and manipulate audio.

    I;'ve got a few recordings of Imams doing the Azan (or is it adhan), which I have yet to start arsing around with, very atmospheric.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494

    The orchestral strings in Komplete are not bad.. they have a handful of articualtions that you can keyswitch and they react well to velocity.. before I had CS2, I used to blend them with Session Strings Pro.. SS Pro provided the "tone" and Komplete provided the body and size.

    the down side though is that the Komplete strings cannot cres and dim.. this is a big part of getting the realism.. to do this I used to create two parts where for example the cres was to happen.. one soft and one strong.. then I'd fade in the strong up through the soft one.. worked ok.. that said, doing this in CS2 [and the new NI Symph Series Strings are the same] via the Mod wheel is much better..

    take a look at the sttrings in Omni.. I think there's one called Hollywood which is beautiful for the softer side of things... really smooth...

    I love the sound of Azan.. when it's done well it makes my hair stand on end..

    play every note as if it were your first
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  • This was intended as being non-guitar-centric (although it does have a little guitar in it) but it's more about the chord progression and ways to layer the sounds



    The keyboard on this track has since died, and the shaker was made of rice in a used squash bottle. I ate the rice for lunch the day after doing the recording.
    "Working" software has only unobserved bugs.
    Parroty Error: Pieces of Nine! Pieces of Nine!
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  • kinkin Frets: 503
    edited December 2015

    Cheers @Clarky i'd appreciate some tips, hopefully that link works now. It's only a short  piece as an experiment.


    Tried to put together a string arrangement last night, sounds overly busy to me even though there's only cello viola and two violin.







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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    This was intended as being non-guitar-centric (although it does have a little guitar in it) but it's more about the chord progression and ways to layer the sounds



    The keyboard on this track has since died, and the shaker was made of rice in a used squash bottle. I ate the rice for lunch the day after doing the recording.
    that's very nice chord progression.. one of those that you can take in endless directions..
    the moment with the Irish whistle is particularly pretty
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    kin said:

    Edit :Can't seem to get the soundcloud to link at the moment ,so just ignore me.


    Tried to put together a string arrangement last night, sounds overly busy to me even though there's only cello viola and two violins.






    when you manage to get the clip in here we can take a look.. maybe offer some suggestions..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    got a tweet this morning advertising two new sound packs by Zero G, called Other Worlds and Zetamorph. 40 odd quid each. I'm debating - the Zetamorph one sounds good/

    Anyone any experience of using Zero G stuff?
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    This thread needs resurrecting.
    I've just bought Heavyocity's Vocalise. THat's a cracking plugin, pads, melodies, atmospheres, all buiilt off vocal samples. I'm doing a piece that I'#ve put some in, so once finished, will post up.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    is that from native instruments??
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    Eyup pal!

    Yes, in the 50% off sale they are having. Christ, I had to hold myself back, I nearly splurged on Gravity, and I want some brass stuff too, and a new full orchestra........

    Impressed with Vocalise though. Here's an early, unmixed and still in progress version (so all tips gratefully received):



    Vocalise is what's doing the female melody line - triggered samples from each key. this is one of a lot of NKIs. THere are I think 4 or 5 melody instruments, you set the key, and each key on the keyoboard triggers a different melody in the root key. And that's just this one part, there is a lot to go at. Seriously impressed. And only £44!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Snap said:
    Eyup pal!

    Yes, in the 50% off sale they are having. Christ, I had to hold myself back, I nearly splurged on Gravity, and I want some brass stuff too, and a new full orchestra........

    Impressed with Vocalise though. Here's an early, unmixed and still in progress version (so all tips gratefully received):



    Vocalise is what's doing the female melody line - triggered samples from each key. this is one of a lot of NKIs. THere are I think 4 or 5 melody instruments, you set the key, and each key on the keyoboard triggers a different melody in the root key. And that's just this one part, there is a lot to go at. Seriously impressed. And only £44!
    wow… sounds superb.. very trailer style.. especially at the start…

    thought.. try burying that vocal line in a massive 8sec long reverb.. could sound really spooky..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    Cheers, I will give that a try. Something u wrote about NI strings above- the modwheel does work for expression. I just noticed!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    interesting… what version of Komplete do you have?
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    ultimate 9. I'm not sure if its from a software update, but I noticed that it does work, and hadn't before. This is in Action Strings. reason I noticed is that the default volume on a new instrument was low in the DAW, until I shifted the wheel. Works very well too.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Snap said:
    ultimate 9. I'm not sure if its from a software update, but I noticed that it does work, and hadn't before. This is in Action Strings. reason I noticed is that the default volume on a new instrument was low in the DAW, until I shifted the wheel. Works very well too.
    ah yes.. I have action strings..
    the strings I was talking about were the regular ones that come with Komplete 9
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    @Clarky - regardless of budget, what orchestral plugin would you go for, if there was only one you could have?
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  • Snap said:
    Just finished this


    That is sweat. Love it....... the acid bassline at the end - the echo on the percussion before the full rhythm kicks in.... reminds me of higher than the sun or orb....
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  • I use Logic Pro X - any software solutions for useable Sitar and tampura? I've given up trying to make my guitar sound like one!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Snap said:
    @Clarky - regardless of budget, what orchestral plugin would you go for, if there was only one you could have?
    I use Cinematic Strings 2 - which is superb sounding and not as difficult to use or as expensive as LASS
    that said, the new Native Instruments Symphony Series strings look amazing
    I may get this at some point
    you can never have too many awesome strings AU's

    for brass I have NI Symphony Series brass… absolutely stunning and easy to use..

    my choirs are Sound Iron Venus [the girlies] and Mars [the fellas]
    amazing sounding… can be as simple or as complex to use as you have the patience for..

    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Snap said:
    Just finished this


    what vocal AU / plug-in is that…?? it sounds wonderful
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2145
    Hi mate, it's ni vocalise. Brilliant. On that track all I used was vocalise and evolve for bass and beats.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2494
    Snap said:
    Hi mate, it's ni vocalise. Brilliant. On that track all I used was vocalise and evolve for bass and beats.
    there are some really nice sounding solo vocal AU's by Sound Iron that I may invest in at some point
    two solo female voice in particular…
    they can sound so haunting… love em

    I'm have to check out NI Vocalise… sounds interesting…
    I like NI stuff… always seems to sound great and is so intuitive to use…
    the only down side to some of their s/w instruments is that they can be RAM / CPU hungry
    stood alone that's fine.. but in a piece along with 40 or 50 other instruments they can cause agro..
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