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  • Personally, I'd go the extra mile and figure out a way to patch directly into your router. It's not a major job putting a cat5/6 cable through a wall and terminating it. It might even be worth considering moving where your phone line comes into the house to make the router more accessible.

    Anyway, I too am looking into this project with interest as I am going to be building an office/music room/workshop space myself in the very near future. I've been looking at these: http://soundproofgardenstudios.co.uk/products/outdoorstudios.html because of the double skin thing (yay to being able to make a lot of noise at any time!) but I'd want to experience how well they work before committing (I have a degree in Acoustics so I know how hard soundproofing is, esp for things like drums).

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  • m_cm_c Frets: 395

    Rather than run ethernet cables, would a single dedicated wifi access point aimed towards the garden cover your needs? A single access point should remove the need for another wifi point in the workshop.

    Other option could be some dedicated point to point wifi adapters, as they can cover some serious distance with pretty good bandwidth.

    Have a look at the wifi section on broadbandbuyer.co.uk as some of the stuff can cover some very large distances, and isn't that expensive as long as you don't want the latest and greatest performance. I was looking at the various options, as I could really do with internet in my workshop, but I've just not got around to deciding the best option.

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748

    Anyway, I too am looking into this project with interest as I am going to be building an office/music room/workshop space myself in the very near future. I've been looking at these: http://soundproofgardenstudios.co.uk/products/outdoorstudios.html because of the double skin thing (yay to being able to make a lot of noise at any time!) but I'd want to experience how well they work before committing (I have a degree in Acoustics so I know how hard soundproofing is, esp for things like drums).
    I did some acoustics in my degree, but not to the same extent. I don't need the same level of isolation as there's a railway line at the end of the road, and I'll be making less percussive noise, but I've still gone for the upgrade to Celotex which should be good thermally and a bit for sound. The people who are making mine do non-workshop stuff along the same pattern for a good chunk less money, but they don't have the same degree of sound proofing. Might be worth a look though - http://www.greenretreats.co.uk/ or http://www.thegardenoffice.co.uk/ - all the same bunch.

    m_c said:

    Rather than run ethernet cables, would a single dedicated wifi access point aimed towards the garden cover your needs? A single access point should remove the need for another wifi point in the workshop.

    Maybe. It's about 20m but the house has unusually good wifi blocking!

    I'll get pictures together today.



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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    Ah - the Devolo stuff says it'll work across the circuits. Neat.
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2744
    On one of the woodworking TV programmes, a guy featured had a window at the end of his workbench. This opened at workbench height thus allowing him to work on long lengths of wood. Might be worth thinking about.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    I'd considered that, but I'll have a good clear diagonal which will let me run things up to 2.5m long through the PT anyways.

    So... this is the rendering of the workshop building:

    http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk/pictures/new_workshop/PWrender.JPG

    And this is the current layout, which looks like it'll work fairly well. Still time to tweak.

    http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk/pictures/new_workshop/PW7x4.jpg

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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 3149
    Man alive I bet you need a mortgage for that size 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    Nah - finished the house mortgage off at the beginning of the year, and we had healthy savings already at that point. This is going to take up most of the savings, but it should add about the same value to the house so it's efficient. I have all the machinery (apart from the bigger extractor) already - over the years that probably cost half of what the new workshop will.

    I know what the building, groundwork and AC will cost. I have an idea on the electrics. Not sure on the machinery move though - got a nasty feeling that's going to end up brutal, in which case I'll break down most of the machinery and move it in bits, just a few things that'll never get small or light enough to do on my own. I know the tablesaw will break down into bits I can deal with, as will the pillar drill and the chopsaw. I managed the lathe on my own (not easy though). The bandsaw might, with the table and wheels removed. The planer/thicknesser definitely won't, I can't move the compressor on my own and I don't think I can shift the CNC without help. But the lack of a hard deadline helps - I can move as much as possible on my own and then just get help with the bigger stuff.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    edited September 2016
    This is the current state of the end of the garden. Photobombed by Sprockenheimer as usual. Note the subtle hint she is making by having moved her football so that she can sit next to it and look expectant.

    http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk/pictures/new_workshop/Before.jpg

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  • BigMonkaBigMonka Frets: 1510
    m_c said:

    Other option could be some dedicated point to point wifi adapters, as they can cover some serious distance with pretty good bandwidth.

    Have a look at the wifi section on broadbandbuyer.co.uk as some of the stuff can cover some very large distances, and isn't that expensive as long as you don't want the latest and greatest performance. I was looking at the various options, as I could really do with internet in my workshop, but I've just not got around to deciding the best option.

    Where I work we've got two offices about 500m apart. we have the network linked using line-of-sight microwave transmitter/receivers. It works well and would be a good solution for sporks, but I'm pretty sure it's a decent amount more expensive than using the powerline>cable>wifi solution mentioned earlier.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    I don't need mad bandwidth in the workshop. NAS access for CAD/CAM files, Spotify and occasionally looking stuff up.
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 15025
    edited September 2016
    Sporky said:
    This is the current state of the end of the garden. Photobombed by Sprockenheimer as usual. Note the subtle hint she is making by having moved her football so that she can sit next to it and look expectant.



    Looks good to me.

    No-one will ever guess that, hidden deep beneath that unassuming "shed" is the lair of a mad inventor.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18496
    Sporky said:
    This is the current state of the end of the garden. Photobombed by Sprockenheimer as usual. Note the subtle hint she is making by having moved her football so that she can sit next to it and look expectant.

    http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk/pictures/new_workshop/Before.jpg

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    octatonic said:

    "He was a quiet man who kept to himself, unlike that arsehole dog" say neighbours, unsurprised at the uncovering of body parts at this suburban Surrey home.
    Fixed that for you.
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  • m_cm_c Frets: 395
    BigMonka said:
    Where I work we've got two offices about 500m apart. we have the network linked using line-of-sight microwave transmitter/receivers. It works well and would be a good solution for sporks, but I'm pretty sure it's a decent amount more expensive than using the powerline>cable>wifi solution mentioned earlier.

    A basic wifi point to point pair can be had for under £100, however for 20m, it's probably overkill.

    It's most likely the walls causing the problem, so I'd be trying a better router, or looking at an extra wifi access point either sat inside a window (I'm going to hazard a guess there's either foil insulation or very thick walls killing the signal) or in the roof space, or even an external mounted access point.

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    The house was built in the 50s. Incredibly hard bricks, steel door frames, double-layer internal walls, steel lined chimney. I think it was meant to be bomb resistant. I think powerline and extension is probably the winning option here.
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    The house was built in the 50s. Incredibly hard bricks, steel door frames, double-layer internal walls, steel lined chimney. I think it was meant to be bomb resistant. I think powerline and extension is probably the winning option here.

    I have a similar issue in my house built in 2010, the walls are so thick and have lots of insulation, even with enterprise grade Wifi access points the signal stops just outside the door. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    Right. In theory the machinery movers will be surveying the existing workshop today.
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2935
    Sounds like an amazing project Sporks. 
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    TimmyO said:
    Sounds like an amazing project Sporks. 
    Ta. Thus far there have been brief moments of "this is awesome!" in an overall sea of utter terror at the crass irresponsibility of spending so much money on a hobby. Which makes it feel even more important to get it as right as possible.
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2935
    Yes - I can imagine being disappointed/frustrated by spending £££££ then having some niggling thing that leaves it less than perfect. 

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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18496
    Sporky said:
    TimmyO said:
    Sounds like an amazing project Sporks. 
    Ta. Thus far there have been brief moments of "this is awesome!" in an overall sea of utter terror at the crass irresponsibility of spending so much money on a hobby. Which makes it feel even more important to get it as right as possible.
    We moved house to accommodate my guitar building hobby/maybe-business, so I completely sympathise, Sporkster.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    Thanks chaps! I'm trying quite hard not to get into imagining an amazing new life in which I and my workshop travel the universe fighting crime and so on. But it'll be good to have all my stuff at home, so a ten minute job only takes twenty minutes, not two hours.
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 15025
    octatonic said:
    Sporky said:
    TimmyO said:
    Sounds like an amazing project Sporks. 
    Ta. Thus far there have been brief moments of "this is awesome!" in an overall sea of utter terror at the crass irresponsibility of spending so much money on a hobby. Which makes it feel even more important to get it as right as possible.
    We moved house to accommodate my guitar building hobby/maybe-business, so I completely sympathise, Sporkster.
    We're still progressing down a similar path, although it's primarily to accomodate my wife's hobby, so it's an entirely sensible and rational decision.



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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    It certainly helps that Lady BMcH has been strongly in favour and supportive of the project.
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2025
    Sporky said:
    ?.. it'll be good to have all my stuff at home, so a ten minute job only takes twenty minutes, not two hours.
    There's a lot of brownie points available when you can fix a piece of jewellery, mend furniture, or just open a jar, at a moments notice.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    edited September 2016
    Machinery moving chap has been - apparently this is a lovely little job (last move was a CNC machine bigger than my new workshop in every dimension).

    Under a grand for all the machines and as much else as we can fit into a 7.5T, including ramps so the house doors aren't damaged. Need to build a 25mm ply ramp down from the decking to the lawn though.

    So... anyone want to buy my old extraction system, pillar drill and chopsaw?
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 15025
    Sporky said:

    So... anyone want to buy my old extraction system,
    If we move, potentially.

    What is it, and would it fit in my shed?
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13748
    It's an Axminster one - on the wall between the bandsaw and pillar drill here:

    http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk/pictures/workshop/matting.jpg

    Plus a load of 50mm duct, lots of fittings, couplers and angles. And some flexi hose.

    Works well for a bandsaw or tablesaw, not quite up to a thicknesser planer (though better than no extraction).
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2025
    Sporky said:


    So... anyone want to buy my old extraction system, pillar drill and chopsaw?

    Which drill and saw?
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