Akai New Headrush: looks like a Helix! (Best thread version)

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  • kjdowd said:
    Voxman said:
    Seem to be two threads on the Headrush - might be worth combining them. 
    No way. One of them's mine, therefore it takes precedence and is much better.

    Someone should A/B these threads, see which is the most authentic emulation of a conversation.
    I like this thread. And anyone who likes the other thread is a cloth eared moron. 
    +1

    And it was the original.
    Is this the big box version?
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  • kjdowd said:
    Voxman said:
    Seem to be two threads on the Headrush - might be worth combining them. 
    No way. One of them's mine, therefore it takes precedence and is much better.

    Someone should A/B these threads, see which is the most authentic emulation of a conversation.
    I like this thread. And anyone who likes the other thread is a cloth eared moron. 
    +1

    And it was the original.
    Is this the big box version?

    It doesn't matter, if you don't have anti reflective coatings on your glasses, you won't be able to read the final 5 percent that's so key to its haunting communication. 
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  • kjdowdkjdowd Frets: 582
    kjdowd said:
    I like this thread. And anyone who likes the other thread is a cloth eared moron. 
    Joe Bonamassa endorsed the other thread. So I'm here instead. 

    Have the contents of this thread been gooped? Then I'll listen...
    Joe Bonamassa has gooped on this thread? Ugh!
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10038
    OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 3587
    OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.
    Pretty impressive. 
    Especially the way he switched to left handed for the lead sections...... 
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  • sgosdensgosden Frets: 366
    kjdowd said:
    Voxman said:
    Seem to be two threads on the Headrush - might be worth combining them. 
    No way. One of them's mine, therefore it takes precedence and is much better.

    Someone should A/B these threads, see which is the most authentic emulation of a conversation.
    I like this thread. And anyone who likes the other thread is a cloth eared moron. 
    +1

    And it was the original.

    I haven't actually heard the other thread, but I've been on this one so I'll tell everyone this is the better one.
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  • OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.

    Interesting video... but it would be interesting to hear some music being played through this new wunder-pedal.
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 1910
    Owwwww my eyes
    what the hell was that all about with the wobbly camera?
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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 2487
    Cabicular said:
    Owwwww my eyes
    what the hell was that all about with the wobbly camera?



    Don't be mean, parkinsons is very serious 
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  • simonksimonk Frets: 862
    Any idea when this thing will be available? I was considering a Helix come the new financial year, and now this new kid on the block has got me even more interested.
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  • TTBZTTBZ Frets: 355
    edited January 12
    I'm definitely interested in something like this but I'd need to hear less modern tones to be swayed - haven't heard anything from the Helix that I'd be happy to swap my amp for. I've just never heard a convincing warm vintage rock tone from them. I'd quite happily do away with a real amp if I could.

    Can these things be set up to be like a "virtual rig" in effect? ie like a single channel amp model with pedal models which you assign to the various buttons and can turn on/off over the main amp sound if that makes sense ?
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 687
    There are plenty of 'warm vintage rock tones' in the Helix as a die hard valve amp user of 30 years I haven't plugged an amp in since I got the Helix6 months ago, and my live sound is better than in ever was
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 3587
    OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.

    Interesting video... but it would be interesting to hear some music being played through this new wunder-pedal.
    Yeah let's see how it models the sound of a Lazy Jbluuuuuughhleeeah (I vomited)
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 3587

    TTBZ said:
    I'm definitely interested in something like this but I'd need to hear less modern tones to be swayed - haven't heard anything from the Helix that I'd be happy to swap my amp for. I've just never heard a convincing warm vintage rock tone from them. I'd quite happily do away with a real amp if I could.

    Can these things be set up to be like a "virtual rig" in effect? ie like a single channel amp model with pedal models which you assign to the various buttons and can turn on/off over the main amp sound if that makes sense ?
    Interesting question springs to mind, 
    why bother? Given that a large majority of players seeking a vintage valve tone would rather fellate Donald Trump than try a digital option, it seems to that the designers of these units are on a hiding to nothing. 

    They are wasting a lot of their time including Tweed and Plexi models considering their target market but dammed if they don't. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 10349
    TTBZ said:

    Can these things be set up to be like a "virtual rig" in effect? ie like a single channel amp model with pedal models which you assign to the various buttons and can turn on/off over the main amp sound if that makes sense ?
    Helix certainly can - I'm pretty sure the others can too.


    Given that a large majority of players seeking a vintage valve tone would rather fellate Donald Trump than try a digital option, it seems to that the designers of these units are on a hiding to nothing. 

    They are wasting a lot of their time including Tweed and Plexi models considering their target market but dammed if they don't. 
    I disagree. I wanted an all-in-one with the potential for very complex sounds, but also lots of good standard sounds too. I use the Plexi and Matchless models the most.

    I think the target market is wider than you think - both in terms of who the companies are selling to, and in terms of the tastes of people who buy them.

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  • TTBZTTBZ Frets: 355
    Agreed @Sporky , for me I wouldn't use a lot of the complex features but it'd be really appealing to have a few great sounds at my feet that don't require lugging a big amp around and will sound consistent for both live and recording uses. 
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  • handsomerikhandsomerik Frets: 454
    Looks like they included an aux input for playing along to backing tracks. That's a plus and something annoying missing from the Helix. 
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 4245
    Helix has an aux. You can easily plug an mp3 player into it with the right cable/adapter.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 10349
    Helix has an Aux in. It also has the four loops that you can set up as aux inputs (including in stereo pairs), and the SPDIF & USB It's not even complex to set that up, and you can put the backing track input anywhere in the chain that you want.

    It's certainly not missing, it's just done in a much more useful and flexible way than just chucking a minijack or pair of phonos that gets mixed straight into the output.
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  • BidleyBidley Frets: 1896
    OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.

    Interesting video... but it would be interesting to hear some music being played through this new wunder-pedal.
    Steady on grandad, you'll spill your piss bag.
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  • Looks like they included an aux input for playing along to backing tracks. That's a plus and something annoying missing from the Helix.
    If your backing tracks come from PC, Mac, iOS, or certain class-compliant Android devices, Helix streams them automatically via USB from all major outputs (or you could route it to specific targets like the headphones for a click track). But if you're using a CD player, minidisk player, DAT machine, cassette deck, or 4-track, you can use Returns 1/2 or 3/4 for Aux In. If you're using a wax cylinder or can and string, however, you're out of luck.

    ;)
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  • handsomerikhandsomerik Frets: 454
    I'm aware of those things. It's annoying that you can't adjust the volume on the iPod/iPhone/iPad when using the USB option.

    It's also annoying to have to build a separate fx return in to every single patch to practice along to music rather than having a simple 3.5mm aux in like loads of other (cheaper) devices have.

    I love my Helix and the options it offers are brilliant. There are workarounds for almost every possible scenario but I still maintain it's a shame that it doesn't have an aux in specifically designed to simply plug and play along to music/metronome. 

    I never ever use the aux input for guitars. It would be great if in a future update there could be a global option to mix this straight to output for playing along to jam tracks. 
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 4245
    @handsomerik put it in idea scale. I think it would be a useful global option.
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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 91
    I'd like to see a high quality, reasonably priced modelling board, that has the very best tone, but without all the 'studio' level features that only professionals really need.

    Right now I could get an amplifire 12 AND a Bassbreaker 15 for less than a helix.

    And as good as the helix appears to be, nearly 
    £1,300 is a ton of money to be dropping on a digital device that will date pretty quickly.

    Maybe the headrush is what I'm looking for. Let's see.....
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  • Date pretty quickly? It won't be replaced for years and it'll sound the same (or improve with FW updates) as it does now.

    Though the Headrush could be great value for money for sure.
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  • timmysofttimmysoft Frets: 1296
    OK OK, I merged the threads :)

    Also...somebody's got hold of a pre-production model:



    Sounds pretty damn good in a mix to me.
    Sounds decent, definitely suited to that style of music.

    Interesting pedal for sure, i think it'll really open up the Multi Fx market again like back in the 90's with the GT5, Zoom 4040, Digitech RP6. Technology made super fast progress at that point, i think thats about to happen all over again.
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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 91
    In my experience, digital stuff does date pretty quickly and it only really holds its value until the next shiny thing comes along.

    E.g. My 10 year old pod xt is worth buttons. My 25 year old mesa is worth a lot more than I paid for it.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10038
    NelsonP said:
    In my experience, digital stuff does date pretty quickly and it only really holds its value until the next shiny thing comes along.

    E.g. My 10 year old pod xt is worth buttons. My 25 year old mesa is worth a lot more than I paid for it.
    Your computer is worth less than half what you paid for it 6 months after you bought it (when the next generation of all the hardware comes out). Does that make it useless or a bad purchase?

    Besides, high-end digital units do far more than your Mesa can. They're not really comparable in terms of function.
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  • Value, sounds, and dating are not the same thing.
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  • VoxmanVoxman Frets: 1614
    NelsonP said:
    In my experience, digital stuff does date pretty quickly and it only really holds its value until the next shiny thing comes along.

    E.g. My 10 year old pod xt is worth buttons. My 25 year old mesa is worth a lot more than I paid for it.
    Your computer is worth less than half what you paid for it 6 months after you bought it (when the next generation of all the hardware comes out). Does that make it useless or a bad purchase?

    Besides, high-end digital units do far more than your Mesa can. They're not really comparable in terms of function.
    Generally I agree that digital gear tends to drop like a stone in value and go out of fashion.  But there are exceptions.  

    For example, the Vox Tonelab SE came out in 2004. Although 'old tech' now, it was way ahead of its time and is still very highly regarded because it still sounds good and has great gigging functionality/simplicity.  What's interesting is that these units (and its successor, the smaller TLLE) are still commanding very healthy used prices.  When new the TLSE was around £225, but in good condition with the original Vox gig bag these are still being sold (actual) for £150-200.  Also, the Vox VC12 floor controllers for the original 'Blue' Valvetronix amps (and the limited edition VTX150 Neodymium Pro) sold for around £225 when new, and because these controllers are very scarce, are still commanding £175 - 200 used.  A TLLE in good condition still commands £150 or more.    

    And The Hughes & Kettner Zentera with the Z-Stage board has almost a cult following with owners very rarely selling them, but with these all digital amps commanding top prices when they do come up. 

    I'm sure there are other examples too.  
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