Lazy J20 hype ...

garfy

I just know one thing....ITS A FANTASTIC AMP FOR ME.

shaunm

richardhomer said:

Lebarque said:

^ Heathen ;0)

Lol. Seriously - I thought that sounded awful. Not just poor - I mean really, really bad....

Just got round to listening to that clip and I agree totally with @richardhomer ;

Not my type of sound at all.

Blacksheep

I imagine that clone might sound better if you pulled the amp out from that corner and didn't mic it quite so closely.

But that is a thin tone for that pick up position. It must be an ice pick on the bridge pickup.

Gassage

4114Effects said:

wellsyboy said:

fretfinder said:

The new price for a Victoria 20112 is £2300, no VAC, no reverb, no trem, no Blue, and not as powerful/loud as a Lazy J20. You don't tend to see threads on here about the Vicky hype, what a ripoff they are, so much money for such a simple circuit etc. Yep they're from the States but even so. 

Ditto the Carr Rambler which is also £2300, but they're a larger scale business which probably helps them to keep prices down a bit. 

Jus sayin...

Have you looked inside a Carr amp? Proper point to point wiring (unless things have changed) that's a lot of work!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjko63qeb79r0hb/DSC01962.JPG?raw=1

My word. Not sure if I like that or not. Admire the skill in doing PTP, but that looks like a nightmare to repair. Also, that's the most hot-melt glue I've seen in one place at once ...

What a mess. THis is what you call PTP

robinbowes

Gassage said:

What a mess. THis is what you call PTP

Nope, that's tagboard construction.

R.

robinbowes

4114Effects said:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjko63qeb79r0hb/DSC01962.JPG?raw=1

My word. Not sure if I like that or not. Admire the skill in doing PTP, but that looks like a nightmare to repair. Also, that's the most hot-melt glue I've seen in one place at once ...

It's not as bad as it looks, esp. if you have a layout and/or schematic or even know the topology.

R.

Corvus

4114Effects

Also, that's the most hot-melt glue I've seen in one place at once ...

Or a really bad sneeze..

Why use glop instead of cable ties? Is there a good reason..? Bridging an air gap between say two caps against vibes is one, but looks lika a lot of just clipping wires etc.

kjdowd

On a general point, and not just with guitar gear, I'm always wary of the reductive 'it's just..' assessment of any product. Any guitar 'is just..' a few bits of wood put together in a well known way with some fairly standard electronics. Most amps 'are just..' one of a few well known circuit variants, sometimes with some mods and sometimes without. Anything can be reduced to a reductive view of component parts and made to sound worthless (I even once had a guy at work inveighing against buying a finance system as it was just code and he could probably do it!).

what this misses is that the parts can be put together more or less thoughtfully, with more or less skill. The components (and mods) can be more or less well selected and all this adds up. 

You can describe the lazy j amps as "just a 5e3 circuit with some mods", but you can equally well describe as "a 5e3 circuit with some well thought out/selected mods, and built in the UK using premium components and with a great track record". 

It's easy to be reductive, but sometimes it misses what makes a product great. Anyway, going to jump on the car (just a few bits of sheet metal, wheels and an engine) and go home (just bricks and mortar, just  like all the other houses..)

4114Effects

robinbowes said:

4114Effects said:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjko63qeb79r0hb/DSC01962.JPG?raw=1

My word. Not sure if I like that or not. Admire the skill in doing PTP, but that looks like a nightmare to repair. Also, that's the most hot-melt glue I've seen in one place at once ...

It's not as bad as it looks, esp. if you have a layout and/or schematic or even know the topology.

R.

I'm sure it sounds fine, but I'd honestly much prefer the inside of an amp to look like the Hiwatt. I'm not convinced there would be any sonic benefit to the PTP layout of the Carr. 

Wazmeister

Man, 

I do so hope Steve Carr is reading these threads, to benefit from all the collective wisdom here...

He may sell a few more amps

4114Effects

Wazmeister said:

Man, 

I do so hope Steve Carr is reading these threads, to benefit from all the collective wisdom here...

He may sell a few more amps

I imagine it's a fantastic amp and sounds top notch. Mr. Carr obviously knows his stuff and I wouldn't presume to tell him how to wire his amps. I was just expressing an opinion that personally I would prefer the nice, neat Hiwatt style methodical layout.

I couldn't possibly afford either, so the point is moot anyway

robinbowes

4114Effects said:

I'm sure it sounds fine, but I'd honestly much prefer the inside of an amp to look like the Hiwatt. I'm not convinced there would be any sonic benefit to the PTP layout of the Carr. 

So would I

R.

wellsyboy

I've had several Carr's Hammerhead Rambler Slant 6v Mercury - all beautifully built and sound fantastic - I think y all time favourite was the mercury - wish I hadnt sold that - like the look of the new Merc V but that's for another thread!

IvisonGuitars

This is the cleanest point to point wiring you'll find. End of discussion. ;-)

wellsyboy

very nice

Wazmeister

kjdowd said:

On a general point, and not just with guitar gear, I'm always wary of the reductive 'it's just..' assessment of any product. Any guitar 'is just..' a few bits of wood put together in a well known way with some fairly standard electronics. Most amps 'are just..' one of a few well known circuit variants, sometimes with some mods and sometimes without. Anything can be reduced to a reductive view of component parts and made to sound worthless (I even once had a guy at work inveighing against buying a finance system as it was just code and he could probably do it!).

what this misses is that the parts can be put together more or less thoughtfully, with more or less skill. The components (and mods) can be more or less well selected and all this adds up. 

You can describe the lazy j amps as "just a 5e3 circuit with some mods", but you can equally well describe as "a 5e3 circuit with some well thought out/selected mods, and built in the UK using premium components and with a great track record". 

It's easy to be reductive, but sometimes it misses what makes a product great. Anyway, going to jump on the car (just a few bits of sheet metal, wheels and an engine) and go home (just bricks and mortar, just  like all the other houses..)

Kev, wisdom awarded - great post mate.

CloudNine

miserneil said:

This is the cleanest point to point wiring you'll find. End of discussion. ;-)

Top Hat I would think? 

Edit. Just realised can see Club Royale on the label.

(Might be selling mine actually soon if anyone interested. Amazing amps, but downsizing and just placed and order for something very small. It's the best version of the Club Royale, 1x12, valve rectified, deep cab, pristine condition, all with nice vintage glass. PM if interested ).  

IvisonGuitars

CloudNine said:

miserneil said:

This is the cleanest point to point wiring you'll find. End of discussion. ;-)

Top Hat I would think? 

Edit. Just realised can see Club Royale on the label.

(Might be selling mine actually soon if anyone interested. Amazing amps, but downsizing and just placed and order for something very small. It's the best version of the Club Royale, 1x12, valve rectified, deep cab, pristine condition, all with nice vintage glass. PM if interested ).  

Yup, one of Brian's masterpieces.

I really don't need another one....PM'd ;-) 

IvisonGuitars

For comparison, here's a Matchless DC30:



But I think Carr still takes the Rats Nest Title...

BintyTwanger77

kjdowd said:

On a general point, and not just with guitar gear, I'm always wary of the reductive 'it's just..' assessment of any product. Any guitar 'is just..' a few bits of wood put together in a well known way with some fairly standard electronics. Most amps 'are just..' one of a few well known circuit variants, sometimes with some mods and sometimes without. Anything can be reduced to a reductive view of component parts and made to sound worthless (I even once had a guy at work inveighing against buying a finance system as it was just code and he could probably do it!).

what this misses is that the parts can be put together more or less thoughtfully, with more or less skill. The components (and mods) can be more or less well selected and all this adds up. 

You can describe the lazy j amps as "just a 5e3 circuit with some mods", but you can equally well describe as "a 5e3 circuit with some well thought out/selected mods, and built in the UK using premium components and with a great track record". 

It's easy to be reductive, but sometimes it misses what makes a product great. Anyway, going to jump on the car (just a few bits of sheet metal, wheels and an engine) and go home (just bricks and mortar, just  like all the other houses..)

Expertly put, fantastic post.