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Clarky · December 2017

WezV said:

pia98jf said:

Well at the other extreme are parents who don’t give a shit so perhaps I shouldn’t be too critical.

@ Riftand WezV - is that how ‘endorsements’work then? You’re expected to provide free equipment and if the artist likes it you get endorsed. If they don’t, or get a better deal somewhere else, they then sell it to make themselves a tidy profit?

Depends on the size of the artist. Simple endorsement deals for local up and coming bands may just be a discount. The bigger the artist, the more free stuff and support they get.

A friend had one with a major amp company that got him a free stack and 20% of anything else he wanted

funnily enough... my old school mate is Gary Wallis
we used to be in a band together as teenagers..
me on guitar, him on drums..
when he was just another SE London estate kid he couldn't afford anything and his parents did everything they could to help him..
Now he's a world famous drummer / percussionist
I remember him saying to me once that it's nuts.. cos now can afford it, folks give him drum stuff for free

Kalimna · December 2017

You asserted that in order to play blues (and to an extent, music outside of blues) with meaning, then you had to have had a painful life. That strikes me as pretentious, as does the general manner in which you come across all holier-than-thou when replying to posts criticising your way of thinking. The above post is a perfect example of this.

Adam

guitarfishbay · December 2017

Clarky said:

WezV said:

pia98jf said:

Well at the other extreme are parents who don’t give a shit so perhaps I shouldn’t be too critical.

@ Riftand WezV - is that how ‘endorsements’work then? You’re expected to provide free equipment and if the artist likes it you get endorsed. If they don’t, or get a better deal somewhere else, they then sell it to make themselves a tidy profit?

Depends on the size of the artist. Simple endorsement deals for local up and coming bands may just be a discount. The bigger the artist, the more free stuff and support they get.

A friend had one with a major amp company that got him a free stack and 20% of anything else he wanted

funnily enough... my old school mate is Gary Wallis
we used to be in a band together as teenagers..
me on guitar, him on drums..
when he was just another SE London estate kid he couldn't afford anything and his parents did everything they could to help him..
Now he's a world famous drummer / percussionist
I remember him saying to me once that it's nuts.. cos now can afford it, folks give him drum stuff for free

It came up in a podcast I listen to recently.

Paraphrased: ‘don’t waste forever trying to research and buy the best piece of gear, spend that energy getting good and working hard and you’ll end up getting it anyway’

VimFuego · December 2017

I'm currently listening to a track called "The Old Fashioned Plough Boys" by a folk duo that I know. I'm pretty sure neither Nick or Becki have ever done a days ploughing in their lives, yet they are still able to sing about it.

Kalimna · December 2017

Stupid and naive? Oh bless your cotton socks.

p90fool · December 2017

Blues has nothing to do with painful life experiences, Robert Johnson was a know-nothing whippersnapper who'd probably never even been mis-sold PPI.

Kalimna · December 2017

I see what you did there

tampaxboo · December 2017

not meaning to be uncharitable or downright mean to this kid in particular, he seems to better or worse than the average showbiz kid, but 'showbiz kids' of all species and genres i generally find a bit nauseating (fixed grin and jazz hands cheesiness) and dread-inspiring.

not in a misanthropic way. i'm totally pro young people finding their passion and making the most of it, and i'm sure this kid has a great time playing. my distaste is more to do with a certain negative climate of pushy parenting and overindulgence that so often seems to exist behind the scenes in such instances. a climate which (though seeming to work in the kid's interest when young) can ultimately (long term) spin young heads in a way that makes adjusting to not always being the centre of attention, and other realities of grown up beyond-family life, hugely difficult to adjust to as they get older.

so i can't help watching these sort of things feeling superficially positive, a kid enjoying their interest is a good thing, but with a little pilot light of dread burning in the back of my mind thinking 'is this kid going to end up another failed-to-fulfil-potential crackhead childstar at nineteen?'

but i sincerely hope he does ok.

randella · December 2017

tampaxboo said:

so i can't help watching these sort of things feeling superficially positive, a kid enjoying their interest is a good thing, but with a little pilot light of dread burning in the back of my mind thinking 'is this kid going to end up another failed-to-fulfil-potential crackhead childstar at nineteen?'

Tell you what, let's stop wasting time and just send in Social Services now.

Those parents are 100% guaranteed to be up to something, with a spot of luck they'll both be left-handed so we can have them burned as witches and be done with it.

WezV · December 2017

you know those threads we have where new dads buy a posh guitar “for the kids” and put it under the bed for when they are older.... I always assume it’s a sneaky way to justify a new purchase. this is what happens when it backfires

JerkMoans · December 2017

As a relative newcomer to the Fretboard, this thread appears snakeshit crazy insane. OP posts pretty cool vids of extremely talented kid letting rip with brio, forum seems to lose its collective shit and turn into Fight Club. Or is this just standard operating conditions?!

randella · December 2017

pia98jf said:

randella said:

tampaxboo said:

so i can't help watching these sort of things feeling superficially positive, a kid enjoying their interest is a good thing, but with a little pilot light of dread burning in the back of my mind thinking 'is this kid going to end up another failed-to-fulfil-potential crackhead childstar at nineteen?'

Tell you what, let's stop wasting time and just send in Social Services now.

Those parents are 100% guaranteed to be up to something, with a spot of luck they'll both be left-handed so we can have them burned as witches and have done with it.

This is an example of why you can’t have a debate around here. Why don’t you take the post as a whole and the general sentiment rather than taking one part in isolation and out of context and then immediately taking the arguing to extremes?

You are Ro_s and ICM £5

Kalimna · December 2017

P90fool - just checking, the mis-sold PPI *was* a reference to Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil, wasnt it?

Adam.

JerkMoans · December 2017

Kalimna said:

P90fool - just checking, the mis-sold PPI *was* a reference to Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil, wasnt it?

Adam.

Reckon that's why Iggy Pop started advertising motor insurance?

VimFuego · December 2017

JerkMoans said:

As a relative newcomer to the Fretboard, this thread appears snakeshit crazy insane. OP posts pretty cool vids of extremely talented kid letting rip with brio, forum seems to lose its collective shit and turn into Fight Club. Or is this just standard operating conditions?!

nope, pretty standard really. In fact, it's been pretty low key.

JerkMoans · December 2017

VimFuego said:

JerkMoans said:

As a relative newcomer to the Fretboard, this thread appears snakeshit crazy insane. OP posts pretty cool vids of extremely talented kid letting rip with brio, forum seems to lose its collective shit and turn into Fight Club. Or is this just standard operating conditions?!

nope, pretty standard really. In fact, it's been pretty low key.

Well, it certainly seems a rather lively environment.

dindude · December 2017

The kid in question probably has way more maturity that the grown ups squabbling in this thread.

Seriously, pull yourselves together.

Oh, and tidy up your room too.

Bucket · December 2017

pia98jf said:
Cant leave it can you? Did I at any point claim that I was a better judge of intrinsic artistic value? No, all I argued was that there can be a judge of this, i.e. that it’s not the case that it’s all just subjective. So well done to you for twisting my words to suit your agenda.

Yes, but that is bullshit.

The only thing you are qualified to judge music by is your own personal taste. Even the most knowledgeable musicologist with a first-class doctorate is no more qualified to make value judgements on music - it is all personal taste.

You were saying something along the lines of "it's people like you who think they're qualified to say stuff like this that mean the human race is doomed" - so trust me, those words didn't take a hell of a lot of twisting to fit my "agenda". You can try and back-pedal, but that is what you said. You're the one making utterly ridiculous, astonishingly arrogant statements like that, with an apparent total lack of self-awareness, not me.

How is the entire human race "doomed" just because the total subjectivity of music is being upheld, and people aren't particularly keen to overturn it just because you think Beethoven is objectively better than Taylor Swift? Is it because people are refusing to come round to your demonstrably ridiculous point of view?

VimFuego · December 2017

now, I'm no fan of Taylor Swift (tho some of the chord progessions and pretty cool) but I'm fairly sure she's not to blame for the trump.

tampaxboo · December 2017

randella said:

tampaxboo said:

so i can't help watching these sort of things feeling superficially positive, a kid enjoying their interest is a good thing, but with a little pilot light of dread burning in the back of my mind thinking 'is this kid going to end up another failed-to-fulfil-potential crackhead childstar at nineteen?'

Tell you what, let's stop wasting time and just send in Social Services now.

Those parents are 100% guaranteed to be up to something, with a spot of luck they'll both be left-handed so we can have them burned as witches and be done with it.

i would imagine they are perfectly fine, and the kid will grow up a decent and level-headed individual. that is my hope. i wasn't being specific to this kid, as i took care to point out.

i was thinking more about the Bieber's, Brittneys, Downey-Jnrs, etc. the list is sadly long and well known.
So for me, personally, that (maybe disproportionate) dread is always in the background when i see a kid i feel may be being strongly encouraged by parents to perform on a public platform.
will they handle all the pressure and attention well or badly, short and long term?
and if some of that pressure is coming from within the home, where can a kid who needs a break (but doesn't want to disappoint loved ones) retreat to if they need to?

i was exaggerating for effect in the section you quoted. but my general point was about conflicted feelings it is possible to feel in these situations. maybe i worry too much.

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