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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    I have done on the last few builds so this one will have weights at various points too.  It’s useful for me to look back at
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  • My Spanish cedar burst has really underwhelmed me despite being under 9lb, I was thinking of doing a thread for suggestions

    It's the only guitar I've ever made that is not what I expected, whereas my African mahogany ones sound great, the difference is staggering

    I'll be watching with interest as usual
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    Is it an acoustic difference, or plugged in?

    i have had guitars that don’t quite do it for me before, but really suit others.  I have also had guitars that just needed tweaking and playing in a bit.  Don’t give up too soon

    or just use it as practice for relicing and finishing stuff... with both my Moderne and recent goldtop I was not happy with the way the played until they were reliced.. they just felt loads better once I had the patina where I wanted it.


    amd then there is just preference.  Get opinions off others you trust.  It might not suit you, but it could be just right for someone else.   I have had people prefer stuff I didn’t like, and not like stuff I thought was miles better.

    its rare a well made guitar put together with good materials will be a total dud
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  • WezV said:o
    Is it an acoustic difference, or plugged in?

    i have had guitars that don’t quite do it for me before, but really suit others.  I have also had guitars that just needed tweaking and playing in a bit.  Don’t give up too soon

    or just use it as practice for relicing and finishing stuff... with both my Moderne and recent goldtop I was not happy with the way the played until they were reliced.. they just felt loads better once I had the patina where I wanted it.


    amd then there is just preference.  Get opinions off others you trust.  It might not suit you, but it could be just right for someone else.   I have had people prefer stuff I didn’t like, and not like stuff I thought was miles better.

    its rare a well made guitar put together with good materials will be a total dud
    I might have to do a seperate thread, it's not a dud just not good enough for my taste, sounds like someone stuffed a blanket over it or rolled the tones back

    It's ok unplugged but not quite as bright as the African ones, I swapped the Faber bridge to a pigtail which was better, the pickups are a mojo low wind 
    I even took the whole wiring out put it in the African one and it's an incredible difference

    I'm going to take it apart and work out why when my workshops done starting with frets and fretboard and maybe take the neck out

    I'm also thinking of a big belly contour to take weight off it, very interesting although annoying 

    People say wood doesn't matter should listen to the difference
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  • ellwoodellwood Frets: 1011
    Me tooTeyeplayer said:
    WezV said:

    This one in a dark Oxblood please, light relic treatment too, and no rear binding. 
    This ^ very much this.
    Me too. That could move to Hinckley for a much longer stay than Earth 52 managed!

    Swiftly followed by the oxblood. Dibs!
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1411
    ellwood said:

    Me too. That could move to Hinckley for a much longer stay than Earth 52 managed!

    Swiftly followed by the oxblood. Dibs!
    The Earth 2 '52 left Hinckley before it arrived! 
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 1702
    merlin said:
    The Earth 2 '52 left Hinckley before it arrived! 
    Schrödinger‘s Earth 2 '52 
    Self-confessed Blues Lawyer
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 1702
    Seriously @WezV : having seen pictures of @merlin ‘s uber sexy gold top this thread has my utmost attention :)
    Self-confessed Blues Lawyer
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    edited December 2017
    both bodies now cut out


    oddly, they are both now weighing in at 6.4lb???   Thats possibly because i chose to cut away most of the  sap wood on the one piece body,

    the one piece looks much nicer from the back 


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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    Just spent the last hour or two prepping  wood for these two

    all the tops, fretboards and necks are now ready to go, and  got a spare top to boot




    The necks and mahogany  tops are old stock honduran, a gift from a woodworkers widow.   I got loads of big wide planks, some too heavy for bodies and too erratic for necks, but it makes nice tops where the extra weight pushes it a bit towards maple tonally. 

     I also got some big long square chunks which are perfect neck wood.And i will be going one piece with dual CF rods this time to make the most of this wood, usually I laminate.  the rods will not be solid CF bars, but hollow rods as i think this makes the neck controllable and predictable without making it too stiff


    here is the neck blank


    roughly cut for 2 long full width tenon les paul necks


    Indian rosewood and ebony to go with them


    Here are the tops - ths started as one long plank.   I think B is too nice to paint


    and the sycamore


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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13745
    WezV said:
    And i will be going one piece with dual CF rods this time to make the most of this wood, usually I laminate.  the rods will not be solid CF bars, but hollow rods as i think this makes the neck controllable and predictable without making it too stiff

    I used square CF tubes in Sporkbaster 1 for that reason - I did the sums and if I'd used solid with the same cross-section I'm not sure the truss rod would have been able to move anything. The square ones are a lot easier to work with, at least with the tools I have.
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    i must admit I have not tried box section, i got a load of rods a few years back when it seemed relatively difficult to find anything in non-industrial quantities.     I will try some when the rods run out
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    I'd be interested in any difference tonally or anything else with the carbon rods and a normally constructed neck


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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    I'd be interested in any difference tonally or anything else with the carbon rods and a normally constructed neck


    The reason for going for less stiffness in the rod is to reduce the tonal impact.  I think Les paul necks benefit from a bit of flexibility, whereas a more modern design often suits a stiffer neck 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    WezV said:
    I'd be interested in any difference tonally or anything else with the carbon rods and a normally constructed neck


    The reason for going for less stiffness in the rod is to reduce the tonal impact.  I think Les paul necks benefit from a bit of flexibility, whereas a more modern design often suits a stiffer neck 
    I get that part and totally agree with you on stiffness, are you putting a 2 way truss rod in as well

    I make mine with a traditional rod and maple filler strip, I thought these were stiff enough so I'd never put carbon rods in, it's still very interesting how others build 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    Yeah, 2-way rod.  The bars are for stability and predictability, not just stiffness.  Think of them as helping to control variation in the wood.

    the layout will have an affect too, I put them parallel with the truss rod, others but them parallel with the sides which is stiffer and helps with twist prevention.


    there are many ways you can vary it, mine just gives the wood a bit of help
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  • ricorico Frets: 880
    What’s the ballpark price for a DC Jr? Following this thread with interest! 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    rico said:
    What’s the ballpark price for a DC Jr? Following this thread with interest! 
    It’s not a straightforward answer and this is where I start to sound flakey.

     At the moment I just build what I want and sell it on to fund the next builds when done.  It’s all done between a full time job and 2 young kids, so I can’t make it a viable career just yet.  

    Aftet these 2, and the Firebird that’s nearly ready for paint, I will probably take a short break from building Gibson styles to develop some other skills and work on some aspirational builds.

    i don’t see there being a DC junior in the foreseeable future, although I do really like building them so you never know.  

    The up up side is that when I do have a guitar for sale, it’s usually well priced
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    edited January 10
    WezV said:
    rico said:
    What’s the ballpark price for a DC Jr? Following this thread with interest! 
    It’s not a straightforward answer and this is where I start to sound flakey.

     At the moment I just build what I want and sell it on to fund the next builds when done.  It’s all done between a full time job and 2 young kids, so I can’t make it a viable career just yet.  

    Aftet these 2, and the Firebird that’s nearly ready for paint, I will probably take a short break from building Gibson styles to develop some other skills and work on some aspirational builds.

    i don’t see there being a DC junior in the foreseeable future, although I do really like building them so you never know.  

    The up up side is that when I do have a guitar for sale, it’s usually well priced
    What's the aspirational builds Wez

    I can't finish or build anything for maybe a month because of workshop building, big pita at the moment, I just get to look at what's being made 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    edited January 10
    More acoustic and archtop stuff.  I had a good start on the acoustic stuff but life got in the way... I want to revisit it later this year
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  • TeyeplayerTeyeplayer Frets: 698
    WezV said:
    More acoustic and archtop stuff.  I had a good start on the acoustic stuff but life got in the way... I want to revisit it later this year
    Looking forward to seeing this.
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    WezV said:
    More acoustic and archtop stuff.  I had a good start on the acoustic stuff but life got in the way... I want to revisit it later this year
    Same here funny enough an acoustic I made years ago came out really nice shape wise, I started with a j200 and took 3/4 inch out the centre and an inch off the length, shape came out a bit like the old j185's, I'd like to build another based on what I know now and a proper 335 but I'd get a back and front plate set from the state's, just can't be arsed to get into laminating

    My friend made a beautiful benedetto style arch top took him a couple of years part time
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    had a  bit of a moment with these.  I marked up the weight relieved burst for chambers, and weight relieved the custom which was going to be chambered

    Also,i think my last scale reading was off.   because i weighed them again with the same scale today and got the same reading off both bodies again, even after weight relieving one of them.  I tried a new set of scales and working backwards i think it was the 2-piece that was 6.4lbs.  The one piece closer to 6lb


    The one piece is now 5.7lb, 2 piece is 5.3lb after weight relief, although there is still a bit to do


    I have changed my mind again on going chambered thinline for the custom, i think they will both be weight relieved instead 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    I think the 5.3lb will be ok weight wise with a cap, should end up under 9lb, that's what I've had before anyway

    The 5.7lb I'd do a semi chambered but it all depends on what your final weight goals are

    Looking forward to seeing the custom, that did look really good with your mock up
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    I want to get them 5lb or under, the 1-piece will easily get there.  I still have room for a few more holes, and slightly deeper on the ones I have already done... I should get close just with the Swiss cheese approach
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    The goal is less than 8 1/2lb
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    WezV said:
    The goal is less than 8 1/2lb
    that's a nice weight, should sound really good too

    I found the Swiss cheese approach didn't remove enough weight for me I had to semi chamber, maybe I was cautious on the hole depth as it was my first weight relieved build
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    well it doesn't rule out chambering.   they are more effective at weight relief but will impact the tone more.  i don;t mind either way really
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 735
    WezV said:
    well it doesn't rule out chambering.   they are more effective at weight relief but will impact the tone more.  i don;t mind either way really
    I like the tone of my semi chambered one I did
    I chambered just on the bass side and nowhere else, I'd do that again
    It weighed 7.8lb with p90's and wraptail

    I'll be trying some carbon fibre rods as I'm interested in the difference having seen your neck build on this, I'll build 2 and compare when I've got the workshop done

    Have you seen the maple splines put in on a Lp style neck from ruokangas guitars, that was an interesting way to strengthen the headstock 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9081
    edited January 14
    i got the one piece for the burst weight relieved.  took a lot of holes but its bang on 5lb now so should give 8.5-9lb when finished.  you can ignore the pen line, this one was never going to be chambered.

    The top is also cut and drilled with some template holes to help alignment




    quite a bit of colour variation, some small knots at the waist, and a fairly inconsistent flame - but i like this kinda top

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