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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6256
    Thanks for all this Clarky, its ace. I love it.

    I studied piano, classical, through all the grades (Mum was a music teacher) from about 6 upto age 14. Then I decided pianos were too girly and I needed to play a guitar to get the girls!

    Got into synths too (in a band as a teenager for many years), but tbh I was more into the noises they could make, rather than the actual music.We had some cracking kit for a bunch of teenagers too, as we all worked our asses off in Saturday, evenings, weekend jobs. We even had a Minimoog at one point, as well as a DX27, Korg Poly6, Poly 800, Roland SH101, drum machines, and never mind the PA and amps! Loads of gear I'd love to have now tbh (WEM copycat !)

    It was at this point I started to forget all the musical stuff I'd learnt tbh. If it didn't make a big massive rawkin noise, I wasn't fussed. This means that whilst I can read music, I am slow reading for anything apart from the piano. There's a step needed to convert from 88 keys to 6 strings.

    I was raised on classical music, my Mum had it on the go all the time, so if you'd asked me age 13 how a fugue works, or a minuet etc, I'd have had no problem. Not the case now! Whilst I may be able to tell you if a piece is Baroque, Romantic, maybe even the composer (at a stretch), beyond that I'm clutching at history and vague memories!!

    So, this sort of stuff is a real shot in the arm and is making me wish I'd kept up with the theory.

    Whereas my baby bro did a degree in jazz and then went to Berklee to do his postgrad in composition, now that boy can play.....(piano).
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    Snap said:
    Thanks for all this Clarky, its ace. I love it.

    I studied piano, classical, through all the grades (Mum was a music teacher) from about 6 upto age 14. Then I decided pianos were too girly and I needed to play a guitar to get the girls!

    Got into synths too (in a band as a teenager for many years), but tbh I was more into the noises they could make, rather than the actual music.We had some cracking kit for a bunch of teenagers too, as we all worked our asses off in Saturday, evenings, weekend jobs. We even had a Minimoog at one point, as well as a DX27, Korg Poly6, Poly 800, Roland SH101, drum machines, and never mind the PA and amps! Loads of gear I'd love to have now tbh (WEM copycat !)

    It was at this point I started to forget all the musical stuff I'd learnt tbh. If it didn't make a big massive rawkin noise, I wasn't fussed. This means that whilst I can read music, I am slow reading for anything apart from the piano. There's a step needed to convert from 88 keys to 6 strings.

    I was raised on classical music, my Mum had it on the go all the time, so if you'd asked me age 13 how a fugue works, or a minuet etc, I'd have had no problem. Not the case now! Whilst I may be able to tell you if a piece is Baroque, Romantic, maybe even the composer (at a stretch), beyond that I'm clutching at history and vague memories!!

    So, this sort of stuff is a real shot in the arm and is making me wish I'd kept up with the theory.

    Whereas my baby bro did a degree in jazz and then went to Berklee to do his postgrad in composition, now that boy can play.....(piano).
    wow that's really interesting....

    I studied music at Goldsmiths London
    I was the only non-classical musician in our tutor group..
    all the others were members of various conservatoires etc... cello, oboe etc....
    for a quite some time they'd only talk amongst themselves.. the headbanger was a bit of an outcast..
    that was until one day we had to write a short fugue.. teach said that I was the only one that not only followed all the rules, but the piece was musical, pleasant to listen to and pretty authentic to 18th century German style..
    hahaaaa.... victory ! ! !
    after then, the peeps started talking to the goon with the Strat.. especially when it came to counterpoint and composition..

    I learnt so much about composition that I use what I learned all the time..
    not only in my trailer works, but also in my regular song writing
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6256
    @Clarky, you're a dark horse.

    Friend of ours did fine art at Goldsmiths. I can imagine you must have been a little "different" to the majority.

    For me, the whole field of theory and composition is something that fascinates me, but frustrates me a little as its something I know if I'd not let go, i'd have enjoyed. WHeareas now, when I have the fascination and will, I don't have the bleeding time. Couple that with trying to get better as a player, still trying to learn the banjo, and get better on bass, learn my DAW and VSTs more, hey, its a lot to do!!

    All good though,

    So, for now, I will focus on following some of your composition suggestions, and write another.


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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6256
    Talking of fugues, an interesting album is Contrapunctus by Laibach, where they do, I think, Bach's Art of Fugue, reimagined, its a bit out there, but certainly Contrapunctus 1 is IMO v powerful.

    Its on Spotify, but is hard to track down on YT
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    Snap said:
    Talking of fugues, an interesting album is Contrapunctus by Laibach, where they do, I think, Bach's Art of Fugue, reimagined, its a bit out there, but certainly Contrapunctus 1 is IMO v powerful.

    Its on Spotify, but is hard to track down on YT
    I'll try to find it..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261

    Snap said:
    @Clarky, you're a dark horse.

    Friend of ours did fine art at Goldsmiths. I can imagine you must have been a little "different" to the majority.

    For me, the whole field of theory and composition is something that fascinates me, but frustrates me a little as its something I know if I'd not let go, i'd have enjoyed. WHeareas now, when I have the fascination and will, I don't have the bleeding time. Couple that with trying to get better as a player, still trying to learn the banjo, and get better on bass, learn my DAW and VSTs more, hey, its a lot to do!!

    All good though,

    So, for now, I will focus on following some of your composition suggestions, and write another.


    thing to remember is...
    theory is not a means to an end..
    the reason my piece was musical and got praise, whereas the others did not despite being technically correct..
    is cos they simply completed the task as a technical exercise..
    I always compose from intuition and musical instinct first..
    so.. I wrote a piece of music that I thought sounded nice and felt right for the period
    I used the rules to guide it's harmonisation and structure..
    the rules will always allow for multiple possibilities..
    your sense of art and creativity chooses those possibilities that feel right..

    music is art first and foremost..
    the science / math side of it simply explains / justifies your choices..
    and that's what the other folks missed
    they let the tail wag the dog
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • jasons_unicornjasons_unicorn Frets: 3
    edited February 2018
    Many thanks
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    edited January 2018
    Need feed back please. First recording on my phone. Saving to get some recording gear. 
    https://youtu.be/VLFpe3Q1egY
    Many thanks 
    jason
    sounds like guitars.. this thread is about music you make that is not guitar centric..

    nice piece though.. very moody..
    be careful with that reverb because it's very long and very strong to the point where it's burying the music at times..
    long reverbs can be very nice and make beautiful effects
    but maybe having the reverb a little less strong..
    or maybe try eq'ing the reverb so it's a little less strong in the lows to allow more space for the music
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6256
    Agree, that's a cool mellow track Jason. But, and without sounding antsy, this thread is dedicated purposefully to doing stuff that isn't focused on guitar. Its for venting your inner synth head! So go on, get your keys out......;)
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    @Snap how are you getting on with your new composing style experiments..??
    play every note as if it were your first
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    @clarky - how am I getting on? Hmm, well, err, I've done naff all!

    In my defence, we are in the middle of doing a house up, and selling this one, so its a bit frantic. My spare time is being spent shopping for stuff and co-ordinating builders etc. And crying at the bills!!!

    Once we've moved, I will have a new recording setup - a  better space, more privacy and a new PC with fresh install. I will also have all umpteen of my guitars out of storage and to hand in racks. Hopefully the clean new install and space will inspire me. Its more a question of time, not will.

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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    Snap said:

    @clarky - how am I getting on? Hmm, well, err, I've done naff all!

    In my defence, we are in the middle of doing a house up, and selling this one, so its a bit frantic. My spare time is being spent shopping for stuff and co-ordinating builders etc. And crying at the bills!!!

    Once we've moved, I will have a new recording setup - a  better space, more privacy and a new PC with fresh install. I will also have all umpteen of my guitars out of storage and to hand in racks. Hopefully the clean new install and space will inspire me. Its more a question of time, not will.

    and in the mean time I've submitted 2 trailers to da boss man and have a 3rd about 80% done..

    and based on my last chat with him, I have another 5 to deliver in the style of "Fantasy Warfare"
    these should be fun... crashing and banging and shouty
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • My apologies I think I may have posted in the wrong place. I’ll take it down. Thanks
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    My apologies I think I may have posted in the wrong place. I’ll take it down. Thanks
    no need to take it down at all..

    do you have anything you've done without guitars?
    if so it'll be cool to check it out..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • Clarky said:
    My apologies I think I may have posted in the wrong place. I’ll take it down. Thanks
    no need to take it down at all..

    do you have anything you've done without guitars?
    if so it'll be cool to check it out..
    No just guitar I’m afraid. Cheers
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    Clarky said:
    My apologies I think I may have posted in the wrong place. I’ll take it down. Thanks
    no need to take it down at all..

    do you have anything you've done without guitars?
    if so it'll be cool to check it out..
    No just guitar I’m afraid. Cheers
    time to explore the dark side then... lol..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    time to pop a new one in here...


    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    here's another epic hybrid orchestral trailer


    play every note as if it were your first
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  • Flink_PoydFlink_Poyd Frets: 2490
    Really interesting thread. I've got back into making electronic music (made a horrible noise years ago) and I find myself drifting more toward it for making music. I find it a lot more straightforward than trying to write a song on guitar but it's by no means easier. 
    Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow.....


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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 3261
    here's an existing piece with a re-written mid-section [at the request of the boss - cos he wanted something more rhythmic]

    play every note as if it were your first
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