The bass Fender should have made (IMHO)

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I’m back to a sensible project ;)

I have always thought Fender should have made a mainstream thin line telecaster bass. 

So I got Graham to do one for me. Should be a fun build. It’ll be a stain finish, but haven’t chosen the colour yet.. hmmm




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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 8885
    Is there a risk of it being annoyingly neck heavy?
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 2585
    edited February 7
    Wrong pickup  

    Defo investigate ultralight tuners for this one (Gotoh GB640 IIRC)
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    edited February 7
    Is there a risk of it being annoyingly neck heavy?
    Wrong pickup  

    Defo investigate ultralight tuners for this one (Gotoh GB640 IIRC)
    Nope. Ultralight tuners already planned. It’s not an overly light body, and there’s enough space in the rear cavity to weight it if necessary.

    And if it’s a Lindy Fralin split coil 51P then it’s absolutely the right pickup.
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 2585
    Is there a risk of it being annoyingly neck heavy?
    Wrong pickup  

    Defo investigate ultralight tuners for this one (Gotoh GB640 IIRC)

    And if it’s a Lindy Fralin split coil 51P then it’s absolutely the right pickup.
    Good call
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    Tele style headstock and 1.75” nut. Mmmmmm.


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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    Is there a risk of it being annoyingly neck heavy?
    Wrong pickup  

    Defo investigate ultralight tuners for this one (Gotoh GB640 IIRC)

    And if it’s a Lindy Fralin split coil 51P then it’s absolutely the right pickup.
    Good call
    :)

    Planned as part of the build 
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 2805
    Nice grain. Worth leaving it visible. 

    Winny_Pooh said:
    Wrong pickup  
    Lindy Fralin split coil 51P  ... absolutely the right pickup.
    In the interests of sonic variety, a second pickup would be desirable. I'd want an EB-style mudbucker but I can imagine the OP opting for a piezo-loaded bridge and buffered pre-amp.
    I fear the Geeks, even when they bear GIFs.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    Nice grain. Worth leaving it visible. 

    Winny_Pooh said:
    Wrong pickup  
    Lindy Fralin split coil 51P  ... absolutely the right pickup.
    In the interests of sonic variety, a second pickup would be desirable. I'd want an EB-style mudbucker but I can imagine the OP opting for a piezo-loaded bridge and buffered pre-amp.
    Funnily enough, the bass I use most live is my (also Graham) home build 51P with a billy basic SD quarterpounder in it. 

    It’s all thump and not much else but fits in really well with our sound. 

    Piezo bridge is slightly tempting, but I feel the draw to making it a good old trad 51 thumper. After all, I’ve got a “posh” 64 thumper and it’s the tone I keep going back to.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 30910
    Wrong pickup  
    +1

    A WRHB is the right one for these. If you get a modern one with 4-conductor cable you can wire them in parallel, which makes them less overpowering - I did that on my recent Pawnshop Mustang Bass.

    I've played in a couple of places where a non-humbucking single pickup would make the bass almost unusable, so I would automatically avoid that now.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    ICBM said:
    Wrong pickup  
    +1

    A WRHB is the right one for these. If you get a modern one with 4-conductor cable you can wire them in parallel, which makes them less overpowering - I did that on my recent Pawnshop Mustang Bass.

    I've played in a couple of places where a non-humbucking single pickup would make the bass almost unusable, so I would automatically avoid that now.
    Yes, but my experience disagrees.

    I gig with a SC pickup and it's fine.

    I don't want a mud bucker - don't like the sound.. ;)
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 30910
    edited February 7
    Bridgehouse said:

    Yes, but my experience disagrees.

    I gig with a SC pickup and it's fine.
    You just haven't come across the wrong venue yet. I thought the same as you about my Rick until I did...

    I don't want a mud bucker - don't like the sound..
    That's why I rewired it in parallel. Slightly less output - although not as much difference as I expected - and a much brighter,  clearer tone.

    Anyway, the WRHB just looks much better in a Tele Bass, and that's the most important thing .

    Is the Lindy Fralin a humbucker anyway though? I missed that bit earlier...
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    ICBM said:
    Bridgehouse said:

    Yes, but my experience disagrees.

    I gig with a SC pickup and it's fine.
    You just haven't come across the wrong venue yet. I thought the same as you about my Rick until I did...

    I don't want a mud bucker - don't like the sound..
    That's why I rewired it in parallel. Slightly less output - although not as much difference as I expected - and a much brighter,  clearer tone.

    Anyway, the WRHB just looks much better in a Tele Bass, and that's the most important thing .

    Is the Lindy Fralin a humbucker anyway though? I missed that bit earlier...
    Don’t forget - I use a Preamp live to dial sounds in for different venues, and yes the LF is a split humbucker so basically a normal P bass pickup but not offset 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    BTW @ICBM - the late 60s Tele basses were SC like the original Precisions until the 70s abominations ;)

    I am staying firmly in the early 50s camp, with a humbucking cheat
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 30910
    BTW @ICBM - the late 60s Tele basses were SC like the original Precisions until the 70s abominations ;)

    I am staying firmly in the early 50s camp, with a humbucking cheat
    I prefer the abominations :). They just look much nicer - I've never liked the look of the original P-Bass (sorry Leo!), it has none of the style of the '57 revision or of the humbucker Tele Bass. I agree that the neck mudbucker is too much though, at least wired in series.

    But Suzi Quatro played one, so there! [/10-year-old self with poster on wall]

    Nerrrr!!

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/american-rock-musician-and-actress-suzi-quatro-performs-onstage-picture-id481030011?k=6&m=481030011&s=612x612&w=0&h=BZNG8PZBgm1ok3KuNcShVXhrluJE146Kk7vAqtWmTJ4=
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    ICBM said:
    BTW @ICBM - the late 60s Tele basses were SC like the original Precisions until the 70s abominations ;)

    I am staying firmly in the early 50s camp, with a humbucking cheat
    I prefer the abominations :). They just look much nicer - I've never liked the look of the original P-Bass (sorry Leo!), it has none of the style of the '57 revision or of the humbucker Tele Bass. I agree that the neck mudbucker is too much though, at least wired in series.

    But Suzi Quatro played one, so there! [/10-year-old self with poster on wall]

    Nerrrr!!

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/american-rock-musician-and-actress-suzi-quatro-performs-onstage-picture-id481030011?k=6&m=481030011&s=612x612&w=0&h=BZNG8PZBgm1ok3KuNcShVXhrluJE146Kk7vAqtWmTJ4=
    I'm saying nothing.....
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  • paulnb57paulnb57 Frets: 1103
    edited February 7
    Jess Loueiro makes a decent split coil pick up too.........I have one in my 51 Franken thing (currently in bits for a rebuild)

    http://i.imgur.com/M2NFnt0.jpg


    http://jlguitars.eu/shop/index.php?id_product=68&controller=product&id_lang=4
    Stranger from another planet welcome to our hole - Just strap on your guitar and we'll play some rock 'n' roll

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    paulnb57 said:
    Jess Loueiro makes a decent split coil pick up too.........I have one in my 51 Franken thing (currently in bits for a rebuild....



    http://jlguitars.eu/shop/index.php?id_product=68&controller=product&id_lang=4
    Nice - very similar to the LF - worth a look at I think.
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 2585
    ICBM said:

    I don't want a mud bucker - don't like the sound..
    That's why I rewired it in parallel. Slightly less output - although not as much difference as I expected - and a much brighter,  clearer tone.

    That is the classic 4 string Stingray formula. Humbucker in Parallel for clarity and EQ to boost. That's why they have so much attack even on the low E. The 5's give you the option of Series/parallel/neck single on a switch which is nice when you want something smoother. 


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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 2805
    Bridgehouse said:
    I don't want a mud bucker - don't like the sound.. ;)
    Try piling on enough distortion. (Jump to 3:05.)



    ICBM said:
    That's why I rewired it in parallel. Slightly less output - although not as much difference as I expected - and a much brighter,  clearer tone.
    This is what I do with the DiMarzio DP145 Will Power neck position pickup.
    I fear the Geeks, even when they bear GIFs.
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 14030



    I like the semi concept, but - to my eyes - the ornate F hole always looks out of place on a modern instrument.

    Fine if you've got a c17th violin, but on a c20th instrument design, surely there's a better design?

    That said, I've still bought them!   
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    TTony said:



    I like the semi concept, but - to my eyes - the ornate F hole always looks out of place on a modern instrument.

    Fine if you've got a c17th violin, but on a c20th instrument design, surely there's a better design?

    That said, I've still bought them!   
    You’d best stay away from mandolins ;)
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  • needs one more string

    and needs to be in the shape of a musicman sting ray :-D
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    needs one more string

    and needs to be in the shape of a musicman sting ray :-D
    Enough of this heathen talk. 

    Some of of us enjoy living in the 50’s/60’s - things were simpler then. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    edited May 12
    Right. 

    I’m back on this. It’s sat on the side for too long and it needs doing. 

    I have decided black hardware. I have a bridge (heavy for balance) and knobs, and will be getting black lightweight tuners, a neck plate and some strap buttons. 

    It will most likely be a split coil pickup - either a Lindy Fralin, or a custom wind - any of our residents do one? 

    The final question is - colour. I’m thinking amber stain or yellow stain and then Tru or eeze oil. 

    Or something else?
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  • TeyeplayerTeyeplayer Frets: 606
    Tru oil would naturally amber a bit and would be cracking with that grain. It’d be out of place on this build but I’ve always fancied trying the tru oil walnut stain -seeing how 70s Gibson it turned out.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    Tru oil would naturally amber a bit and would be cracking with that grain. It’d be out of place on this build but I’ve always fancied trying the tru oil walnut stain -seeing how 70s Gibson it turned out.
    I’ve done a lot of Tru Oil finishes. I like it. 

    Thing is, I was considering a stain first for something a bit different
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  • mr-macmr-mac Frets: 152
    ICBM said:
    Wrong pickup  
    +1

    A WRHB is the right one for these. If you get a modern one with 4-conductor cable you can wire them in parallel, which makes them less overpowering - I did that on my recent Pawnshop Mustang Bass.

    I've played in a couple of places where a non-humbucking single pickup would make the bass almost unusable, so I would automatically avoid that now.
    Spot on the amount of electrical hum some bass single coils seems to pick up is silly
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13156
    mr-mac said:
    ICBM said:
    Wrong pickup  
    +1

    A WRHB is the right one for these. If you get a modern one with 4-conductor cable you can wire them in parallel, which makes them less overpowering - I did that on my recent Pawnshop Mustang Bass.

    I've played in a couple of places where a non-humbucking single pickup would make the bass almost unusable, so I would automatically avoid that now.
    Spot on the amount of electrical hum some bass single coils seems to pick up is silly
    I’m 90% going to get a Lindy Fralin split coil. No hum
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 30910
    mr-mac said:

    Spot on the amount of electrical hum some bass single coils seems to pick up is silly
    It's partly because the bass range includes the hum frequency - 50Hz in the UK, or just sharp of the bottom G on a 4-string bass. This means that it can't be rolled off as it can to some extent with a guitar.

    Thus in my opinion *all* professional-quality basses need to have some form of hum cancellation, or you're risking a very unprofessional amount of noise in your sound, especially if you use any kind of overdrive or fuzz.

    Bridgehouse will love this ;) but it's one of the things I like least about Rickenbackers - the 4001/4003 is one of the only pro-quality basses I know of which still has no hum cancellation as stock. On my previous one I RWRP'd the bridge pickup so at least the middle position was hum-cancelling - on my current one I have fitted humbuckers, and stuff the purists... it still sounds great.

    Bridgehouse said:

    I’m 90% going to get a Lindy Fralin split coil. No hum
    I wouldn't consider anything else in that bass.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • mr-macmr-mac Frets: 152
    Ah great, Was bloody crazy how bad bass was with single coils in bass were in venue i helped run and do sound in... Repeatable in more than one bass and amps.  Even tried di'ing before amp with a transformer based DI to remove all direct connection (was just as bad).  Would never ever have or recommend a single coil bass 
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