Windows 10 hasn't been good for me

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I bought a new machine last year, and about 3/6 months ago I had to do a fresh install because of an updater corruption. Now the same thing has happened again and I'm really not keen to waste another day doing a fresh install and re-installing all my software. I'm going to permanently install Lubuntu and try as much as possible to use that; I'll keep windows on there for Cubase etc, but apart from that i hope to avoid it. I have a laptop with Vista on, which was supposed to be the shittiest version of Windows, but it's never given me any trouble.
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  • jonevejoneve Frets: 849
    it's shite. Our software uses drag and drop functionality which doesn't work on certain versions of Windows 10, because there's a well known global issue with the drag and drop functioning correctly (presumably due to trying to shoe-horn in touch screen functionality), which Microsoft has refused to sort out yet. 
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  • LestratcasterLestratcaster Frets: 368
    I’ve not long ago just bought a new machine with Windows’s 10 myself. Not had any issues with it yet, touch wood.
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  • Paul_CPaul_C Frets: 4208

    I've got a laptop with 10 on, which I bought in part so I could update my Katana ;)  I've done the update recently and it still works, but I don't like it much.

    My daily PC is an old Compaq tower running Vista, which has run pretty much trouble free for years.
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  • GarthyGarthy Frets: 1771
    I truly loathe W10 and the fact you have to buy X, Y and Z to bring it up to the standard W7 was for free.
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  • Modulus_AmpsModulus_Amps Frets: 561
    I hate it too, latest update asks for data mining permissions too, If I could I would just go back to win 7 on all my machines.
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2042
    I've never used a flawless OS in my life, but Windows 10 is as good as any IMHO, and usually each release makes it a bit better (except you anniversary update, you git).

    It is very much horses for courses.  The old "I've used Windows 7 since I warr a larrd and see narr reason to change" just makes me think "well don't then".  It's not like anyone is going to put a gun to your head.

    If you want to use older versions of software, no reason not to dig out an old Windows 98 box if you really want to.  Just keep it off the internet.  Why not use Virtualbox though...?

    I think the OP is correct in his conclusion.  If you don't want Windows 10 looking at a lightweight but supported Linux distro like Lubuntu is better than sticking with an OS you can guarantee will have known flaws MS will no longer fix.

    The other question, the one MS really fear is "do I need a PC at all" when a phone can do most of what a PC can.  I personally like having one but flat refuse to spend money on replacing a good one to get more spec.  Mine has an i3-2125 (and I see narr reason to change, geroff my larnd, etc)

    I'm in the insider program so have been using Win 10 1803 for quite some time, I'd actually recommend it!
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  • Flink_PoydFlink_Poyd Frets: 2354
    Love it, no issues for me at all after switching  from Mac a year or so ago. 
    Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow.....


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  • SkippedSkipped Frets: 2105
    Sorry to state the obvious, but backing up is your get out of jail card for anything that happens with Windows 10.

    Failed updates, Malware, Ransomware attempts, hard drive failure.
    If you have a decent machine, backing up your C drive will take a few minutes and restore takes about 6 minutes for me.

    Just like having a time machine.

    Acronis True Image has been reliable (for me) for the past 15 years but is not free. Macrium Reflect is just as good and is free.

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  • revsorgrevsorg Frets: 381
    edited May 30
    Windows 10 asks for data mining permissions, which you can to some extent deny.  Previous versions just didn't ask for permission.  Surely this is an improvement?

    For the last month I've been tearing my hair out because we run webinars from our office and one by one on each of our PCs gotomeeting has stopped working with our webcams and microphones.  Two of the webcams are Microsoft Lifecams and I assumed that the latest update had become incompatible with the drivers for the device.  Eventually yesterday I discovered that the reason they weren't working was because they were respecting my Windows setting preference to disallow cameras and microphones.  Changed my preference and everything is now hunky dory.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 16657
    My wife had that problem. I fixed it with a manual update. You could try that.
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  • victorludorumvictorludorum Frets: 212
    The updater has frozen. I have cleared the cache, uninstalled the last one etc etc, but nothing changes. The system restore won't work either, so it's a fresh install or nothing.
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  • MtBMtB Frets: 406
    I'm running Windows 7 on a desk top box. Haven't done a Windows update since 2015, and the computer runs just fine. I don't do anything with recording software on it tho'. Watching the Champions League final live on line last Saturday made it huff and puff a bit ! 
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2327
    I've recently installed PiHole on my network and I couldn't believe the number of blocked attempts to contact Microsoft's telemetry servers. When I also looked at the other stuff it wants I just thought "fuck it, I'm not having this". There's NO REASON why Microsoft would need this unless they want to sell me something or use my data to sell to other people who want to sell me stuff.

    I bought myself another SSD, and installed Ubuntu 18.04 on it. Pretty much all software I need has Linux versions. I have Thunderbird (using IMAP so all my mail is there), Firefox so all my bookmarks came across, LibreOffice for any office stuff I might need. I can access my Dropbox from the desktop and VLC will access my NAS. My printer works, my webcam works, and there's even a version of Skype if I need it. I have occasional uses for Audacity, FileZilla and Handbrake which are all in the repositories.

    The only thing it doesn't do well is gaming, which isn't really a big draw for me anyway. Linux Steam isn't as slick as the Windows version and it doesn't have all the games I want (although it does have a decent selection). My Steamlink box and Steam Big Picture don't work quite right either, but it's not a chore to reboot into Windows as I still have my Windows partition and boot into it once per week to get the updates.

    I'm in a technical job and dropping into the console wouldn't scare my but I've only had to do it a couple of times for some SSH stuff which most people really wouldn't need anyway.

    As long as I'm using a desktop machine, I really can't see myself going back to Windows as a daily driver.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2258

    Is Windows 10 any better on a Microsoft laptop?  You would think there should be better integration with their own hardware.

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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2327
    TBH it doesn't really matter what brand it is, you can get W10 to run pretty well on most laptops from the past 5 years or so. If it runs W7 then it will almost certainly run W10. You need a decent amount of RAM and it's best running an SDD rather than an HDD.

    However, if you're asking about Microsoft, they are having horrendous reliability problems with their Surface laptops/tablets and the things are virtually irreparable unlike HP and Lenovo equivalents of the same device.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3120
    Garthy said:
    I truly loathe W10 and the fact you have to buy X, Y and Z to bring it up to the standard W7 was for free.
    I sacked off windows 10 after they forced the upgrade on me with a trick, they swapped the "ignore" and "upgrade" buttons over on the pop up one day and that was that. I have put my machine back to windows 7 with disc images from online (perfectly legally) and it works rather well again now.

    W10 failed to work despite me using 6gb of ram, a SSD hard drive and all manner of supposed tricks to speed it up, just slow as shit all the time and battery life was about 40% of what it now is on W7

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 5731
    is anyone using a W10 machine but with a dual boot setup to go into W7??

    I want to do this so I can copy over my existing W7 setup lock stock and barrel onto a newer laptop that comes with W10 on a SSD but has a 2nd HDD too...
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3120
    57Deluxe said:
    is anyone using a W10 machine but with a dual boot setup to go into W7??

    I want to do this so I can copy over my existing W7 setup lock stock and barrel onto a newer laptop that comes with W10 on a SSD but has a 2nd HDD too...
    I accidentally did this when trying to go back to W7 fully but redid it when i realised

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2042
    The updater has frozen. I have cleared the cache, uninstalled the last one etc etc, but nothing changes. The system restore won't work either, so it's a fresh install or nothing.
    Have you tried booting from a USB and trying "repair my computer"?  I think that is still there on the latest media, though you do need another working PC to use the media creation tool.

    The other thing to try is removing any additional hardware you don't need to boot, so any usb devices, expansion cards (especially wifi) and so forth.  Windows 10 can get a bit funny if one of it's drivers doesn't suffice to get hardware working.

    I had a similar problem when upgrading from the first to second release of Win 10 on my home PC, I removed my wifi card and plugged the pc in by the router and it worked, then turned if off, put the card back in, and it installed first time.

    I believe it still lets you install fresh alongside your old install as well, so you can put a fresh install on and recover your files etc from the old one.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13302
    How secure is Win 7 though? What happens when it goes EOL ?  What will you do then ?
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3120
    Emp_Fab said:
    How secure is Win 7 though? What happens when it goes EOL ?  What will you do then ?
    Will just replace the laptop then, it's seven years old now so it doesn't really owe me anything.

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • Axe_meisterAxe_meister Frets: 2200
    It's odd that some people have lots of trouble and some don't. My PC is home built has all sorts of odd components, mixed memory DIMMs both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. A really old USB add in card. Yes it runs and updates without issues.
    Yet people with pre-built machines from large manufacturers often have issues with updating.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5444
    Working on Win7 everyday I find Win10 to be so confusing outside of using a browser, especially the lack of a standard way to get back to where you were.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3120
    It's odd that some people have lots of trouble and some don't. My PC is home built has all sorts of odd components, mixed memory DIMMs both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. A really old USB add in card. Yes it runs and updates without issues.
    Yet people with pre-built machines from large manufacturers often have issues with updating.
    Yes especially given there is no definitive help on what will or won't work, instead you get stuff like "ahh your ram/processor/whatever might be 3x higher than the spec required but it does depend on the ram/processor/whatever" then proceed to give no information whatsoever on what combination of inferior processor or Ram might be appropriate

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • BodBod Frets: 208
    Love it, no issues for me at all after switching  from Mac a year or so ago. 
    I've been an early adopter for Windows OSes since the release of Windows 95.  I've found Windows 10 to be the most trouble-free and stable OS of them all.  From memory, I've only had one BSOD and that was because I pulled the power on my audio interface accidentally.  Boot times are amazing too.  I'm forced to use Windows 7 at work and it feels clunky and lacking in features in comparison.
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  • Flink_PoydFlink_Poyd Frets: 2354
    Bod said:
    Love it, no issues for me at all after switching  from Mac a year or so ago. 
    I've been an early adopter for Windows OSes since the release of Windows 95.  I've found Windows 10 to be the most trouble-free and stable OS of them all.  From memory, I've only had one BSOD and that was because I pulled the power on my audio interface accidentally.  Boot times are amazing too.  I'm forced to use Windows 7 at work and it feels clunky and lacking in features in comparison.
    I didn't use Win 7 that much but the wife has stuck with it because of something called stereo mix not being in Win 10. The Mac was starting to feel a bit sluggish and the kids wanted a gaming PC so I begrudgingly bought one, partly because buying a decent spec Mac would have been a ridiculous price. There's not much I miss to be honest as I only use computers for the basics and making music nowadays. There's niggles with Windows 10 like anything else but nothing that stops me doing what I need. 
    Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow.....


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  • usedtobeusedtobe Frets: 2492
    I’ve been a Mac guy for 20 years or more, and I’ve always struggled with Windows, but the prices of New macs are mental these days. So when I was having big problems with my old Mac, recently, I took a punt on a decent Windows 10 machine, and it’s been brilliant. 
     so if you fancy a reissue of a guitar they never made in a colour they never used then it probably isn't too overpriced.

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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3561
    Win 10 is fine with the exception of forced updates, which often do some bizarre driver updates which are completely wrong and cause all kinds of problems. We had a few Toshiba Satellites in the shop with failed keyboards despite no spill damage and I thought is was a bit of a coincidence .... on further inspection Windows update had updated the keyboard driver to a Lenovo type that used custom scan codes for FN control of various shit but that rendered half the keys on the Toshiba's keyboard non functional. Other update problems have included overwriting manufacturers wifi drivers with more modern but slight wrong generic drivers and the same case with audio drivers meaning the audio still works but the jack detection circuit doesn't work because that's specific to what switching jacks are wired on the laptop motherboard.

    It's more a problem on hardware that's customised from the standard generic chip reference circuit. For example the Dell Latitude uses an IDT audio chip but it's been implementation has been customised for the Latitude board .... it needs the Dell driver, likewise the VGA and the wifi. Windows trying to update drivers just causes more problems than it will ever solve

    Put Win 10 on a machine with no net connection and it's flawless. It's the updates that cause all the grieve 


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  • robertyroberty Frets: 448
    If it's any consolation I recently switched to a Mac with work and the last OS update hosed my machine (nearly new MBP).  Had to restore from backup
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1021

    Windows 10 hasn't been good for me anyone

    FTFY, mate.
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