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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572

    However, the consumption of my bagel and the effect it has on my body is nothing like consuming 13 sugar cubes.

    Exactly - which is exactly the point I first made when I responded to the claim that "effect on the body is same as up to 12 teaspoons of sugar from eating a Bagel".
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  • KilgoreKilgore Frets: 8599
    Can't remember the last time I had a bagel, I got muffin to say on the subject.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 24208
    Sporky said:
    Emp_Fab said:

    I was only suggesting that you may not be the voice of authority on a programme about nutrition.  The bottom line is that either you are right - [childish ad-hominem removed] - slagging off the claims made by a dietician and a doctor in the programme, or they are 
    Indeed. So show me where what I posted is incorrect. 

    And hold off on the personal attacks and incorrect descriptions of what I do for a living, both make you look silly.

    So far all you've posted is ad-hominem and arguments from authority. I, on the other hand, have posted verifiable facts. Point out where I was wrong, if you can - you can check all the numbers very easily. 
    What 'personal attacks' ?  I haven't called you anything other than unqualified to dispute the opinions of two eminent experts in a field you don't work in.  If you are offended by me saying I'd sooner believe them than you then you need to check your ego.

    As for not being 100% accurate in my reference to your job - I can't see how that makes me "look silly".  I'm in the ballpark enough to know that you're not medically qualified.  That is all that is relevant.  I'm quite sure you are one of the best at whatever it is that you do, but whatever it is, you're still not a doctor or a dietician.

    "All (I've) done is posted ad-hominem and arguments from authority".   Yeah... Authorities on the subject!!  

    I'm not egotistical or arrogant enough to think I can publicly call the evidence of two experts in the field "bollocks" when I'm just a computer engineer searching the internet.
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
    Also chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    edited June 2018
    So, yet again, you're refusing to explain what it is that I posted that you think is wrong, preferring to suggest that I'm "arrogant", "egotistical", "unqualified", "frothy-mouthed", blah blah blah. If what I posted is incorrect, prove it - I've posted all the numbers.

    Why do you prefer name-calling to discussion?
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    And as you don't seem to know what an argument from authority is, or why it isn't a good argument, have a read of this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

    Essentially you are saying that if an expert says something about their own field, they are unquestionably correct (and shouldn't even be challenged), even if strong, verifiable evidence exists that their statement is incorrect.

    This is also odd as you've frequently disagreed with experts in the past, on matters that lie within their field of expertise. Why the shift now?

    In any case, if you can show that what I've posted is incorrect please do so. The numbers are all there for you to check. See if you can do it without any name-calling - direct or indirect. :)
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    Oooh. I've got a phantom loller. I've finally made it!
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 24208
    Sheesh.....    Pointless conversation.  I'm bored with arguing with a monster ego.  You're something else dude...
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
    Also chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    You're not arguing - you're just slinging insults to try to get a rise out of me.

    Point out where I was incorrect in what I posted.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 24208
    edited June 2018
    I'm not trying to get a rise out of you.  I'm just not interested in arguing with someone who is not medically qualified but has the gall to call the claims made by two highly qualified experts in the field "Utter bollocks". 

    I'm not interested in the numbers you are posting or your attempts to engage me in your layman's attack on the evidence of experts.  Why ? - because I'm not qualified to make anything other than an uneducated half-assed fist at it - but - at least I'm aware of that.

    We may as well argue the pro's and con's of various neutron moderators in nuclear power generation or the safest way to concrete a roof - subjects I'm quite confident neither of us know jack shit about.  Neither you nor I have the education, experience or qualifications to sensibly critique the statements made by experts in the field of medicine and nutrition, nuclear power generation or concrete technology.

    I trust that what they are telling me is correct based on my faith in them as experts and the fact that them taking part in a TV programme and talking "utter bollocks" to camera - a programme that would likely be seen by their peers - would be professional suicide for them.

    I wouldn't dream of assuming I know better than them.  You however, appear to not have such reservations.

    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
    Also chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them.
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 4901

    "Emp and Sporky, sitting in a tree,
    K - I - S - S - I - N - G!"

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    edited June 2018
    Emp_Fab said:
     I'm not qualified to make anything other than an uneducated half-assed fist at it 

    Not everyone is as defined by what they do for a living though; some of us are well-read and well-informed in a decent range of subjects. Do also remember that Lady BMcH is a biochemist with a Masters - I have learnt a thing or three from her. 

    For you to suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about here is unspeakably arrogant on your part, especially given that you freely admit to being entirely ignorant on the subject. How, then, are you qualified to judge what I've posted? By your own argument you are not.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    Nitefly said:

    "Emp and Sporky, sitting in a tree,
    K - I - S - S - I - N - G!"

    This'd be a lot easier if Emp would just admit he has a massive boner for me. 

    It's not reciprocated I'm afraid.
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 3396
    Bored now.

    And I don’t like bagels. 
    This week's procrastination forum might be moved to sometime next week.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    I don't like the New York Bagel Co ones. The Warburtons ones are much better. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    edited June 2018
    BTW @Emp_Fab - in the car aircon thread you admitted that you're not an expert on the subject, and then went on to claim that the aircon service people (who do it for a living and thus are, by your metric, experts) had done it wrong.

    How's that tally with your stance here, where you've maintained that it's arrogant and egotistical (your own words) to question those better qualified than you are? 
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 2356
    Well that got off track quickly.

    To bring it vaguely back on track I had takeaway pizza and hot wings yesterday, and will be having the leftovers of said pizza today.

    As far as cutting out carbs completely goes, you can't do it. "Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame", look the Krebs cycle, you need pyruvate (sourced from carbs) to form the oxaloacetate required to oxidise acetyl co A (sourced from fat).
    You can get away with a small amount of carbs but you can't do without completely.

    This is why when you're doing an endurance sport like distance running or cycling you can run a long distance in the "fat burning zone" by taking small amounts of carbs regularly. The carbs "unlock" the fat burning potential (long after you've run out of glycogen/"hit the wall").

    There's some evidence that the Atkins/ketogenic diet actually works as a calorie controlled diet, you simply eat fewer calories as you can't face eating any more dry protein.

    Robot Lords of Tokyo, SMILE TASTE KITTENS!
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    edited June 2018
    strtdv said:

    As far as cutting out carbs completely goes, you can't do it. "Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame", look the Krebs cycle, you need pyruvate (sourced from carbs) to form the oxaloacetate required to oxidise acetyl co A (sourced from fat).
    You can get away with a small amount of carbs but you can't do without completely.

    Absolutely true, and I massively over-simplified earlier when I suggested you could - sorry all.

    I think what I meant (but didn't actually write) is that you can cut out all the bread and pasta type carbs, not literally all carbohydrate.

    After all (on top of what you posted), I'm not sure it's possible to take in enough dietary fibre without some carbs, so it's impossible on a practical level as well as a metabolic one.

    I thought the Atkins thing was pretty well established - that it essentially works via calorie control, but is also relatively easy to stick to because you're allowed lots of delicious fat (which also helps you feel full)?
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 24208
    Sporky said:
    BTW @Emp_Fab - in the car aircon thread you admitted that you're not an expert on the subject, and then went on to claim that the aircon service people (who do it for a living and thus are, by your metric, experts) had done it wrong.

    How's that tally with your stance here, where you've maintained that it's arrogant and egotistical (your own words) to question those better qualified than you are? 
    Oh FFS... right.... one LAST time on this...  it's boring as hell now.....

    1. I prefaced my comment with the statement that I am not an expert (therefore all that follows is at best conjecture).  You made no such disclaimer and went for the "(They're talking) Utter Bollocks".  One shows an acceptance that I may be wrong, the other is an emphatic statement that you are right and they are wrong.

    2. Read my post again.  I did not say the garage had "done it wrong".  I asked the OP IF he knew if they had done a leak test.  Big difference.  I was questioning what had happened.

    Nice try at the straw man though.
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
    Also chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27572
    Emp_Fab said:

    1. I prefaced my comment with the statement that I am not an expert (therefore all that follows is at best conjecture).  You made no such disclaimer and went for the "(They're talking) Utter Bollocks".  One shows an acceptance that I may be wrong, the other is an emphatic statement that you are right and they are wrong.
    Ah, we've started on the retcon bit of your standard approach to trying-to-be-a-bully-on-the-internet.

    I explained why they were wrong, did I not? You have failed to demonstrate that my workings-out were incorrect, instead you've just insisted over and over that I am not fit to even dare to post such workings-out. By removing all of my reasoning and reducing my post to two words you are demonstrating incredible arrogance and hypocrisy.

    I posted verifiable facts - please either point out where I was wrong or admit that you were just going for a cheap dig that has utterly backfired.

    I'd also point out that your attempt to drag this argument into the interview thread is completely classless.
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  • jonnyburgojonnyburgo Frets: 12253
    Jeez ladies put the handbags down.
    "OUR TOSSPOT"
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