Equal Pay - Wimbledon

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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2777
    quarky said:
    True equality would be men and women competing for the same prize money in the same tournament. Whether it is tennis, football, rugby, or MotoGP. 

    That is unlikely, so I guess same prize money is OK, but it is to the advantage of women.
    Wouldn't true equality also involve the blind, the deaf, and the disabled? 
    Sure, but good luck trying to compete if you can't see the ball.
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2777

    Many other sports won't ever have that setup, so it will take a longer time to build the audiences to support equal pay.  It'll be a long time until the players in the female football leagues in the UK earn anywhere near what men can earn.
    Why should they? 

    The vast majority of the money comes from TV, and the mens game is significantly more popular. I know there is an argument that says the womens game won't get as popular without more money, but if the group A's "product" brings in significantly more money than the group B's "product", shouldn't they benefit from that? 

    As I said, I have no issue with the same money for tennis, but to try and apply it to all sports is just silly nonsense.

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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 7801
    Tennis is one of the sports actually in the position to push for and achieve equal pay for men and women. 

    There is an established audience for the women's game also it can be held at the same event time period and location as the men's game.

    Many other sports won't ever have that setup, so it will take a longer time to build the audiences to support equal pay.  It'll be a long time until the players in the female football leagues in the UK earn anywhere near what men can earn.
    I really think the women's game would benefit from best of 5 at the slams. It allows for a much more intrigung story line and I think the better players would contest more consistently. The best of 3 allows for too much variance and brings greater pressure, which some players clearly struggle to deal with.

    When the former big 4 of the mens game were contesting, you got some really, really classic matches. How many classics have the women produced? The players are good but best of 3 robs them of the chance to create an epic. 

    So equal pay, and best of 5 for both players - oh and if you are going down that route, alternate the schedule so that the both sets of players get the tournament closing sunday final in alternate years.

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  • WezVWezV Frets: 16541
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
     no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis 
    I'm amazed that anyone wants to watch other people playing games at all.
    This is probably a joke/reference that I'm not getting
    Not at all. I'm not much for spectating. It's more fun, to me,  to do something than watch someone else do it, no matter how much better they are at it than me.

    Watching is boring and passive. Doing is awesome. 
    Similar for me

    I can’t bring myself to watch most sports, and I think most of that comes from never being very good at them.

    its amazing I have been interested in guitars for so long ;)
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 17485
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    I think marathon prize money should be 420 times more than the 100 meters...

    ...Oh wait that would be ridiculous.

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27569
    fob said:
    I'm with you on 'doing is awesome' but not with watching is boring/passive. 
    That's fine by me. I'm well aware that lots of people enjoy watching sport, I just can't see the attraction, particularly when so many of them seem to spend a lot of time complaining about what they've watched. 

    I'm sure you'll understand my lack of answer to the series of black-and-white personal questions. 
    "[Sporky] brings a certain vibe and dignity to the forum."
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  • NickLNickL Frets: 150
    Maybe it's time to bring in final set tie breaks. Two big servers banging down endless aces that their opponent is too tired to return is tedious to watch, wears the players out and causes scheduling problems.

    The women playing best of five wouldn't fit in the schedule during the first week, but it could in the later rounds, when the men's and women's singles are on alternate days. How about best of three for men and women up to the last 16 and best of five after that, with last set tie breaks in the quarters and semis but not the final?
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 994
    I watch wimmins tennis for the same reason I watch wimmin ice scating - the legs!
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 6807
    edited July 2018
    Equal pay in entertainment is never going to work.  Unless you are going to create a society where the Equal Pay Police tell the people who pay - the audience - what they should enjoy.  Women's sports are simply not as popular, in terms of the time and money that the audience that they attract, is willing to spend.

    PS A good test case will be Dr Who. If global sales decline, will the makers revert to a male lead to improve sales?  Or stick to the dogma that the global audience for the show must accept the female lead even if it leads to the shows decline and closure?
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 33725
    I don't care if they play 3 or 5 sets to earn the same as men.

    I do find the hijacking of this topic by "men's movement" idiots to be laughable though.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27569
    Chalky said:
    Women's sports are simply not as popular, in terms of the time and money that the audience that they attract, is willing to spend.
    They're also promoted less and shown on telly less, so this is a circular argument.

    If the sponsors and competitions paid equally they'd also be promoting women's sport equally (or possibly more so until they were on an equal footing) in order to maximise the return on their investment. 
    "[Sporky] brings a certain vibe and dignity to the forum."
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2777
    edited July 2018
    By why on earth would sponsors pay equally for men's and women's football? They are paying for exposure to their brand.

    As I said, I support equal pay in Wimbledon, but don't call it equality.

    Anyway, better leave that kind of stuff out, might offend Octatonic
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 7801
    octatonic said:
    I don't care if they play 3 or 5 sets to earn the same as men.

    I do find the hijacking of this topic by "men's movement" idiots to be laughable though.
    Not sure. I think equality at all costs is also flawed. It's OK for people to be paid differently,  so long as the reason is not simply gender.

    You pay based on experiance,  skill, entertainment value, marketability, proven worth etc, etc.
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 8334
    octatonic said:
    I don't care if they play 3 or 5 sets to earn the same as men.

    I do find the hijacking of this topic by "men's movement" idiots to be laughable though.
    Not sure. I think equality at all costs is also flawed. It's OK for people to be paid differently,  so long as the reason is not simply gender.

    You pay based on experiance,  skill, entertainment value, marketability, proven worth etc, etc.

    That's the best point made in this thread, equality surely means being paid the same if everything else is equal? If one group "works" more hours shouldn't they expect to be paid more? 

    The people that attract the audience's get the most money, look at football players. As a silly example, female porn stars get paid a lot more than male porn stars, because it's the women most of the audience want to see.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27569
    quarky said:
    By why on earth would sponsors pay equally for men's and women's football? They are paying for exposure to their brand.
    It seems plausible that women's sports might attract more women spectators, in which case further promotion of women's sport would create more exposure for the sponsors. 

    My post was about breaking a circular argument. I thought that was clear from the mention of circular arguments. 
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2777
    Why is it plausible? What makes you think more women would watch football if women were paid more? I don't get it.

    It isn't that no one knows that women's football exists..
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 27569
    quarky said:
    What makes you think more women would watch football if women were paid more?
    I didn't say that.
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  • SchnozzSchnozz Frets: 1926
    +1 

    3 sets for men would solve the issue and make the sport watchable
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 7730
    It's fairly simple logic from my little corner: Men watch most sport, men mostly prefer to watch male teams/players (varies from sport to sport of course), money follows the level of interest. 

    Maybe the most democratic is to roughly base it on amount of viewers. But that creates it's own issues. 
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  • interstellarinterstellar Frets: 486
    edited July 2018
    i just think Men are better than women and deserve to be paid more across all walks of life.  
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