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Another massive problem is the guitarists' obsession with making their gig-volume live solution be the same thing they use at home.
Even with a modeller, that ain't gonna happen - at least, it's not going to sound remotely the same. So why even bother trying?
I posted the below video on another thread here but it highlights the point...for me, the best sounding ones are the ones that sound most like a guitar cab. Are the other ones trying to sound more like a guitar cab too? Coz they really don't. I mean, presumably when sound engineers are micing up your cab and mixing the FoH sound they are trying to deliver the sound of your guitar cab to the audience. So, in the same way, should we not be expecting the sounds out of these FRFR solutions to be 'as good as' your backline?
I suppose once we do get that, everyone will switch to modelling/FRFR.
so all the drive is coming from amp in a box type of pedals and the effects on top
I might be wrong, and they might be just using pedals for convenience, but I bet if you offered to swap their pedals for a Mesa Mark V 25 and a 1x12 cab they’d bite your hands off...
And through the 90’s truckloads of albums were done with the Line 6 Amp Farm ProTools plug-in.
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I think you are right in one way stop modelling Fender marshall boogie etc.
But then you have one big problem Guitarists.
in a world of Strats Les Paul and Tele derivatives being probably 80% of the market who will want to play something original. Unless you spend a fortune trying to get a group of players to endorse it. Have a successful album or a tone that ignites a whole style of music.
I think a number of software plugin companies have tried to model a few of there own things suited to a style of music but not slavishly one thing. Studio Devil back in the early days when I used it was really just some sort of good sounding hot Rod marshall without slavishly trying to model one thing. Same with toneforge menace as an extreme metal amp but most have expanded out these days to become more of what people know and expect Fender Boogie Marshall etc.
So it’s not can it be done but do people actually want or use it.
Through my own musical taste I can only think of what Adrian Belew was doing with Roland rack gear direct to PA in the early 90’s - love the tone below, so juicy and absolutely not trying to be an AC30 or a Dual Rec.
https://youtu.be/5dtPi8O8bN8
Listen to any Garbage recording, studio or live - they don't use amps at all, just Pod Pros straight into the desk. You won't hear any "classic valve amp tones", but that's the whole point.
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I believe Evanescence's Fallen album was done with Pod Farm.
Depends on the venue, and time constraints. For a decent venue, when you get a sound check, then yeah chances are the FOH will move the mic placement a bit, but that tends to be to suit the sound of the room.
majority of smaller venues or the dog&duck, when FOH have got 30 minutes to check 4 bands before doors open... they just need some sort of signal coming through their mics to put through PA.
Tubes are funny as well, as they are completely analog and rely on physical processes, their operation can depend entirely on atmospheric noise and this is almost impossible to model.
It's also difficult to model the interaction between speaker and amp without developing some sort of smart speaker that could programmatically adjust the way it operates and in this way through communication between the speaker and amp, we could get a more realistic output.
No. they're trying to get a sound into the desk that's ideal for the way they want to work with it which results in the best overall sound getting into the audience's ears. Generally speaking, that's not particularly related to the sound that the guitarist wants to get from their amp/cab.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein