The Theresa May General Election thread (edited)

Philly_Q

Emp_Fab said:

She shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose when to have a general election !

She isn't.  She won't be able to have this one unless a significant number of Labour MPs (and/or the other parties) support it.

VimFuego

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

to my mind he lacks the pragmatism to be a leader. He makes a great policy wonk, someone who can formulate ideas and policies, but, like so many idealogues, he lacks the ability to sometimes make the right decision if it goes against something he believes.

PolarityMan

VimFuego said:

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

to my mind he lacks the pragmatism to be a leader. He makes a great policy wonk, someone who can formulate ideas and policies, but, like so many idealogues, he lacks the ability to sometimes make the right decision if it goes against something he believes.

tbh more so than his left or right leaning I think it's his competence that is most in question. I guess in a think tank your competence doesn't actually matter so maybe he would be alright there but being PM is as much about execution as it is about policy.

ICBM

He is utterly inept at managing a team too. He would make a good chairman of a policy committee, but not a PM.

He's not even that left-wing - certainly not the 'hard left' that the media claim... but he has no idea how to deal with the media either.

VimFuego

ICBM said:

He is utterly inept at managing a team too. He would make a good chairman of a policy committee, but not a PM.

He's not even that left-wing - certainly not the 'hard left' that the media claim... but he has no idea how to deal with the media either.

true, mind you Blair and Cameron were both excellent at media stuff...

Axe_meister

It will be interesting to see how things pan out (I'm giving up on educated guesses when it comes to elections)
Will the UKIP vote implode?
Will centrist labour voters vote Lib dem?
Will traditional labour voters who thought they were socialist but voted UKIP reaslise the were never socialists/left wing in the first place.
Will the anti May part of the Tory party vote Lib dem?
I could even imagine more labour voters going UKIP as a protest vote against their traditional party.

capo4th

PolarityMan said:

VimFuego said:

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

to my mind he lacks the pragmatism to be a leader. He makes a great policy wonk, someone who can formulate ideas and policies, but, like so many idealogues, he lacks the ability to sometimes make the right decision if it goes against something he believes.

tbh more so than his left or right leaning I think it's his competence that is most in question. I guess in a think tank your competence doesn't actually matter so maybe he would be alright there but being PM is as much about execution as it is about policy.

Have you three read his policies they are unachievable pie in the sky nonsense designed as sound bites to win over voters with no idea of how the world works.

Not a hope in hell of being implemented!

The shite that comes out of Corbyns mouth when he speaks flows like a river.

thebreeze

capo4th said:

PolarityMan said:

VimFuego said:

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

to my mind he lacks the pragmatism to be a leader. He makes a great policy wonk, someone who can formulate ideas and policies, but, like so many idealogues, he lacks the ability to sometimes make the right decision if it goes against something he believes.

tbh more so than his left or right leaning I think it's his competence that is most in question. I guess in a think tank your competence doesn't actually matter so maybe he would be alright there but being PM is as much about execution as it is about policy.

Have you three read his policies they are unachievable pie in the sky nonsense designed as sound bites to win over voters with no idea of how the world works.

Not a hope in hell of being implemented!

The shite that comes out of Corbyns mouth when he speaks flows like a river.

Worked perfectly for Trump.

Moss

capo4th said:

PolarityMan said:

VimFuego said:

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

to my mind he lacks the pragmatism to be a leader. He makes a great policy wonk, someone who can formulate ideas and policies, but, like so many idealogues, he lacks the ability to sometimes make the right decision if it goes against something he believes.

tbh more so than his left or right leaning I think it's his competence that is most in question. I guess in a think tank your competence doesn't actually matter so maybe he would be alright there but being PM is as much about execution as it is about policy.

Have you three read his policies they are unachievable pie in the sky nonsense designed as sound bites to win over voters with no idea of how the world works.

Not a hope in hell of being implemented!

The shite that comes out of Corbyns mouth when he speaks flows like a river.

I'm not exactly a Corbyn fan, but you do seem to have some kind of personal vendetta against him

Drew_TNBD

Anyone who puts social justice in their key policy updates can go and fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I mean.. check this garbage out...

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/policies

“We will never be a successful society in which everybody is able to achieve their potential until we have full equality for women. We will take action to remove the barriers in our society to women achieving full equality. We will tackle discrimination, sexism and violence against women and girls. We will not transform society overnight but working together we can take us further along the path to an equal society for all”.  

The next Labour government, under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, will take decisive action against sexism, discrimination and violence against women and girls. 

.....

Absolute cancer. His policies are SJW tripe.

HAL9000

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

^This. Oppose the government? The man can hardly oppose his own thumbs.

ToneControl

DavidRees said:

Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that all of us who want a more fair and equal society will probably always be in the the minority

so how did the labour party get voted in previously?

ToneControl

ICBM said:

The problem with Corbyn isn't his policies - it's his leadership.

But if he was a competent leader, plenty of his policies would be a problem

Drew_TNBD

DavidRees said:

Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that all of us who want a more fair and equal society will probably always be in the the minority

Similarly those of us who wish for peaceful coexistence amongst all peoples regardless of what they think. feel or believe in are unlikely to see our wishes come true as so many are invested in the alternative

Some people will always have more than others but  that doesn’t mean that everyone shouldn’t have enough

Contentment is achievable, and a good place to be, as long as you accept that there will always be others who are trying to turn the boat over

I’m not always right about things, but more often than not I am

The opportunity is now upon us to demonstrate that our actions are not only defined by self interest. So, if you want rid of the current Government and, you are not ideologically supportive of Conservatism, don’t over complicate matters by trying to second guess the future - just vote Labour …

I am ideologically supportive of Conservatism.

Fretwired

I have been told that May has called an election as she doubts Brexit negotiations will be completed by 2020.

Emp_Fab

It's become fashionable to slag Corbyn off.  Anyone foolish enough to publicly defend him in the slightest will be ridiculed.
People feel safe slagging him off as they can appear to know something about politics when they actually know fuck-all.  It's a safe bet to join in with the crowing as the chances of anyone challenging their "opinion" with real facts are very slim indeed, probably because the person/people they're discussing him with are also clueless and scared of being exposed as such, so the crowing continues ad-nauseum as everyone plays the safe card.  

You see it with lots of subjects where people have strong support for the safe card because they're scared that admitting they don't know much about the subject will put them at risk of appearing stupid.  Fucking egos get in the way of most things.

Vociferous proclaiments that Elvis was "the best" yet struggle to name more than half a dozen songs of his; that they are fervent supporters of Man Utd, yet couldn't name more than two players; people who join in with the chorus of abuse at the referee while watching the footie in the pub when they haven't got a clue why - because it's what everyone else is doing and they're scared of looking stupid.  People who can't be arsed to do any research, look at the arguments and form their own opinions, so fall in line with whatever everyone else says or whatever their tabloid rag tells them to think.

Elections are won and lost because of these people.

Drew_TNBD

This is the sort of evil petty-minded bullshit that happens under people like Corbyn and Trump:

https://i.redd.it/77cnpxk5nasy.jpg

Drew_TNBD

https://i.redd.it/im2ifwheacsy.jpg

ICBM

I'm still completely baffled why the Parliamentary Labour Party - or the SNP - are in favour of this election. If they want to do the most possible harm to May's government *and* Corbyn's leadership, as well as probably saving some of their own skins, they need to vote it down. Nothing will do more to upset May's plans and reputation than trying to call the election she wants and finding she can't.

But so far, they all seem to want to walk straight into the obvious trap. I suppose the Lib Dems probably have the least to lose and the most to potentially gain, but only because they can barely lose any more seats.

Emp_Fab

Because they're all power-mad fucktards who have the restraint and long-term planning of a labrador sitting next to a plate of winalot.