Hi all,
I have a Two Rock Studio Pro 35 head (non plus version) and a Zilla Fat Boy (oversized) 1x12 with a Celestion heritage g12-65 (16ohm). Really loving the sound of it but struggling for headroom with a medium hitting drummer in a rehearsal studio. It sounded compressed.
The head itself has lots of mids. The g12-65 seems to have a lot of mids also.
I'm using an avri 64 Tele and no pedals. I play blues with low gain.
@ICBM suggested that the g12-65 speaker might be the culprit. I tried the head in a different cab with a Celestion Fullback 8ohm
I'm unsure the answer is to buy a Fullback for the oversized zilla cab because it's a 15" speaker. Guessing it might be bassy as hell with that cab. Wotcha think? Or any other speaker ideas?
Cheers,
Andy
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Another option I use with similar sensitivity ratings but a softer top end is the Eminence Cannabis Rex.
noted they use same g12-65 but different ohmage ? also they recommend a bigger 2x12 cab than combo ..
I would suggest you borrow a high efficiency cab and at least then you know the extra volume is available - then speaker match to get tone you are chasing
are you running anything in the loop btw ?
I tried running the head through a Celestion Fullback (15 inch 8ohm speaker housed in a Supro Thunderbolt plus combo. It gave more headroom and was less compressed sounding. The mids were less overdone also.
Nah nowt in the fx loop. Just telecaster straight in. I do have the fx level on full (it acts as a second master vol when the loop isn't being used).
The 1 x12 Zilla cab (with the g12-65) is partial open back. I'm trying to get a very clean with hint of breakup when I dig in sound.
It was actually too loud so I moved it on for a Louis Electric Roadrunner.
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Also... I know that the pickup selector control on the back isn't doing what it's supposed to. Unless it's in a certain position all the volume gets taken away. Maybe that's part of the problem.
The Cannabis Rex is a really clear speaker.
I don’t think the speaker impedance will matter either, as long as the amp is set correctly for whichever you’re using. There is a marginal difference in tone, but not a lot, and there should be no volume difference.
I think different people will have different perceptions of what ‘loud’ is depending on the type of tone they use - if you like a smooth overdriven midrange tone then the G12-65 is a great choice and will sound loud, but if you like a deep, dynamic clean/edge-of-breakup tone, then it’s not as good. I’m certain the problem here is the speaker because running it through a different one solved it.
What you need is a 12” speaker which sounds more similar to the Fullback - deeper lows, cleaner mids and a bit more top-end - preferably a 99 or 100dB one.
I haven’t actually tried a Fullback yet, but looking at the Celestion website, the 12” with the closest response graph seems to be the Creamback G12H-75, which I know is a great-sounding speaker.
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I loved the Two Rock with the G12-65 because it nailed that full, throaty, overdrive with almost too much midrange (think Robben Ford-esque).
If you don't want that sound then it is maybe the wrong speaker with that amp.
I also almost always used it with humbuckers too- either Lollar Imperials or Burstbucker 1/2's.
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Yeah I love Robben Ford too. That was my reason for going with the g12-65 speaker.
@icbm I had the combo version of the amp a few years back. The pickup loading control didn't really alter the volume too much . It changed the compression and eq slightly. But it didn't strip away the volume like it seems to be doing on the head. I know that the pickup loading control gets bypassed with a pedal in front. I can try that to see if it makes any difference..
If it does prove to be that, I could reduce the effect of the control if it would be useful, by changing the resistance value.
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The strat has a set of Klein S7s in it. Super low output.
The tele has the vintage 64 pickups I'm guessing. Still low output (so I thought) but hitting the amp so much harder than the strat.
Guess it's just too much mids with the tele? Will use the strat with this amp for now and keep the speaker as it is
ps - the pickup loading switch is fine.
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Noticing the tele sounds very different to the strat with it.