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  • This week our primary school is telling parents that they must now wear a mask when collecting children OUTDOORS in the playground. The outdoor space is vast for a primary school. 
    Say no. Simple.
    And we did. Well approx 40% of us said no! 
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 8558
    edited October 19
    Adey said:
    I'm afraid that that is the modern risk-averse society we have become. It doesn't matter how small the risk. If we can be seen to be at fault then we should avoid that at all cost.
    It’s a reflection on how easy it is to sue people and how little responsibility is placed on the proactive litigant to have any common sense.  Plus of course the greed of the general public and the blood sucking no win no fee solicitors. 
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 3751
    This week our primary school is telling parents that they must now wear a mask when collecting children OUTDOORS in the playground. The outdoor space is vast for a primary school. 
    Say no. Simple.
    And we did. Well approx 40% of us said no! 
    Did you have to go via indoors to get outside?
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 5248
    Here we go again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-58990008
    Lots of hysterical headlines about how if we don’t do as we’re told, we’re going to be back in lockdown. 
    Yet again, those dismissed as conspiracy theorists look like prophets. 
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  • AdeyAdey Frets: 1184
    There is probably a conspiracy theory that the virus was created to create clicks on news websites...
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  • Nick13Nick13 Frets: 684
    "Have booster jab to keep your freedoms"

    What a time to be alive...
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  • ColsCols Frets: 4017
    It’s not a particularly well-veiled threat.

    It’s all very well scolding people and telling them to go and get their boosters, but the actual rollout seems to be problematic.  Two thirds of care home residents are still waiting to be offered one.
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 5248
    edited October 21
    I wonder if the threats do any good? Surely there comes a time where the constant dangling of "we'll take away your freedoms (ie human rights) unless you comply wears off and people react against it?

    The fear narrative got me looking at some stats - namely the ONS latest insights on deaths (published 2 days ago).

    Last week, deaths where covid had some involvement (not the same as covid killed them) were 6.6% of UK deaths. Deaths were actually down from 974 to 820. So, if you're dying in the UK, for most people, something else other than covid killed you.

    From Jan-July, only 1.2% of deaths were people who were fully vaccinated.

    Deaths have fallen off a cliff compared to the first 2 significant waves.

    Infections are massively weighted towards the young. 8% of kids in years 7-11 are infected, the second highest group is primary school kids. Amongst adults, it's 35-49 year olds who are the most infected, but it's only around 1% of people. The oldest (and therefore most vulnerable) have very low levels of infection compared to everyone else.

    Conversely, hospital admissions and deaths are massively weighted toward the old. This is still an illness that likes to kill and make old people ill. Despite the hysteria, the young are way less likely to be severely impacted. I know a few people on the forum won't like that statement, but it's hard cold fact from the figures. Hospitalisation rates in the over 85s are 4x higher than the 65-74 group and around 10x higher than 25-44. Around 70% of deaths are in over 65s. 

    Again, people won't like it, but pre-existing conditions that affect covid are heavily weighted towards diet and health. Diabetes, high blood pressure and heart are the 4 biggest contributing factors, again by some distance.

    So, it seems to me that everyone has a right not be vaccinated. If you aren't though, you have a much higher chance of a bad outcome. If that's the case, you can't expect society to take draconian measures to protect you. It also appears that if you don't care of yourself physically, you're more likely to get ill (shock, horror). Again, you can't expect the rest of society to take draconian measures because of this. Cases aren't a worry, even though the media want them to be. People getting positive tests (note I didn't say ill) are mainly very young with next to zero chance of a fatal outcome and a very low chance of a bad outcome. The elderly remain most at risk. We need to know more about this and it's incredible we don't this far into this. Are the elderly who are dying genuinely at the end of their life anyway? Did they have another 5 years, 10 years? If we don't know that, we can't make decisions, but logically, as has always been the case, protect the most ill and vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. It's pretty hard to argue with the stats.

    The final question is why the media aren't reporting what I just have. It's a public document. It's easy to find. There is no need for the fear of the last couple of days for most people.
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