Interesting article about the 'lab leak' hypothesis

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  • StratavariousStratavarious Frets: 1675
    edited January 14
     96% is the genetic share between humans and a chimp.

    i am really not sure of the point of the article as information. 
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 20569
    "There is no direct evidence for these zoonotic possibilities"

    You can actually stop reading there, because there is and it's been discussed many times. The author just doesn't appear to understand it (or doesn't want to acknowledge it, because it precludes the necessity for another clickbait-y article).
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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 1398
    I didn't think the article was clickbait-y, though it is perhaps not as balanced as it makes out.

    But I wasn't aware of the massive programme of 'gain of function' virus research that the US has sponsored. It does seem to raise a legitimate question as to whether the potential benefits of that programme outweigh the risks.
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 2642
     96% is the genetic share between humans and a chimp.

    i am really not sure of the point of the article as information. 
    Actually it's about 98.8%.


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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 19802
    jpfamps said:
     96% is the genetic share between humans and a chimp.

    i am really not sure of the point of the article as information. 
    Actually it's about 98.8%.


    98.8% for normal humans. 99.8% for drummers. 
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    edited January 18
    US Scientist Who Led Charge Against COVID Lab Leak Theory Admits He Was Trying To Protect Chinese Scientists
    If we are not ashamed to think it, we should not be ashamed to say it.
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  • Zoonotic or not (it almost certainly is, even if it happened in a lab), there has been a drastic rise in zoonotic infections in recent decades.

    Avian flu, swine flu, ebola, SARS, SARS-COVID-19.

    How long until people stop finding excuses and realise our actions have consequences? 
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    Zoonotic or not (it almost certainly is, even if it happened in a lab), there has been a drastic rise in zoonotic infections in recent decades.

    Avian flu, swine flu, ebola, SARS, SARS-COVID-19.

    How long until people stop finding excuses and realise our actions have consequences? 
    Do you think they all came out of a lab?
    If we are not ashamed to think it, we should not be ashamed to say it.
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  • ThePrettyDamnedThePrettyDamned Frets: 6162
    edited January 19
    Freebird said:
    Zoonotic or not (it almost certainly is, even if it happened in a lab), there has been a drastic rise in zoonotic infections in recent decades.

    Avian flu, swine flu, ebola, SARS, SARS-COVID-19.

    How long until people stop finding excuses and realise our actions have consequences? 
    Do you think they all came out of a lab?
    No. You have wildly misunderstood. These are zoonotically transmitted diseases all linked to human encroachment on nature. 
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    edited January 19
    Freebird said:
    Zoonotic or not (it almost certainly is, even if it happened in a lab), there has been a drastic rise in zoonotic infections in recent decades.

    Avian flu, swine flu, ebola, SARS, SARS-COVID-19.

    How long until people stop finding excuses and realise our actions have consequences? 
    Do you think they all came out of a lab?
    No. You have wildly misunderstood. These are zoonotically transmitted diseases all linked to human encroachment on nature. 
    So no experimental slicing and dicing of genomes taking place in the lab?
    If we are not ashamed to think it, we should not be ashamed to say it.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    edited January 19
    Duplicate post.
    If we are not ashamed to think it, we should not be ashamed to say it.
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  • Freebird said:
    Freebird said:
    Zoonotic or not (it almost certainly is, even if it happened in a lab), there has been a drastic rise in zoonotic infections in recent decades.

    Avian flu, swine flu, ebola, SARS, SARS-COVID-19.

    How long until people stop finding excuses and realise our actions have consequences? 
    Do you think they all came out of a lab?
    No. You have wildly misunderstood. These are zoonotically transmitted diseases all linked to human encroachment on nature. 
    So no experimental slicing and dicing of genomes taking place in the lab?
    Doesn't matter. It's clear there is a growing trend of zoonotically transmitted diseases and humanity is not responding to it. 

    Likewise climate change - we are collectively burying our heads in the sand, searching for simple answers when reality is more complex (and less forgiving) than that. 
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  • ThePrettyDamnedThePrettyDamned Frets: 6162
    edited January 19
    I should add, coronaviruses are found in nature, and covid 19 has made it clear it is adaptable and able to cross to different parts of the kingdom - we now have examples of cats, bats, pangolins and gorillas with it. 

    And yet, people cling to this idea that an evil scientist was playing with molecular scissors and created a monster - it's (most likely) fantasy. 

    I will merrily state that China were slow to respond and the global spread could and should have been halted by the world closing borders far earlier had it had more info, but hey ho... 
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    edited January 19
    The Times refer to the Wuhan Instite as a biological weapons lab.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/biological-weapons-lab-leaked-coronavirus-claims-us-official-tfw829wxh

    Besides that, I think the US scientist mentioned in the article above may have been engaging in a cover up, as opposed to protecting the Chinese scientists, and it could be a case of plausible deniability?

    Anyway, it's all very fishy and we will probably never know the real truth about what happened.
    If we are not ashamed to think it, we should not be ashamed to say it.
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  • Freebird said:
    The Times refer to the Wuhan Instite as a biological weapons lab.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/biological-weapons-lab-leaked-coronavirus-claims-us-official-tfw829wxh

    Besides that, I think the US scientist mentioned in the article above may have been engaging in a cover up, as opposed to protecting the Chinese scientists, and it could be a case of plausible deniability?

    Anyway, it's all very fishy and we will probably never know the real truth about what happened.

    Yes, because a virus is a better biological weapon than other more simple, better known means... 

    It doesn't add up. "biological warfare" implies controllable. Viruses tend not to care on what side of the political spectrum you lay - they need to borrow your cells in order to replicate and that's that. 

    Nothing terribly fishy about a biological research lab, warfare or otherwise to be honest. No, it's much more likely this came from a bat or pangolin given the area it came from, local culture and the virus's propensity to adapt to species. 

    Or it was a mad scientist, like, whaaaat
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 5817
    Yes, because a virus is a better biological weapon than other more simple, better known means... 

    It doesn't add up. "biological warfare" implies controllable. Viruses tend not to care on what side of the political spectrum you lay - they need to borrow your cells in order to replicate and that's that. 

    Nothing terribly fishy about a biological research lab, warfare or otherwise to be honest. No, it's much more likely this came from a bat or pangolin given the area it came from, local culture and the virus's propensity to adapt to species. 

    Or it was a mad scientist, like, whaaaat
    You could speculate that it has been an effective "weapon" as it has shut down the global economy, while the Chinese economy has grown. Let's see where we go from here post virus.

    And I think it was a bat, because one of the scientists was known as Batwoman!
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 20569
    Freebird said:
    Yes, because a virus is a better biological weapon than other more simple, better known means... 

    It doesn't add up. "biological warfare" implies controllable. Viruses tend not to care on what side of the political spectrum you lay - they need to borrow your cells in order to replicate and that's that. 

    Nothing terribly fishy about a biological research lab, warfare or otherwise to be honest. No, it's much more likely this came from a bat or pangolin given the area it came from, local culture and the virus's propensity to adapt to species. 

    Or it was a mad scientist, like, whaaaat
    You could speculate that it has been an effective "weapon" as it has shut down the global economy, while the Chinese economy has grown. Let's see where we go from here post virus.

    And I think it was a bat, because one of the scientists was known as Batwoman!
    Actually, the Chinese economy's 2020 growth was its weakest in 40 years, and last year was incredibly costly for the government.

    It could only be considered an "effective weapon" if you consider shooting yourself in the nuts to be an acceptable tradeoff for also hitting someone else in the knee.
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  • Freebird said:
    The Times refer to the Wuhan Instite as a biological weapons lab.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/biological-weapons-lab-leaked-coronavirus-claims-us-official-tfw829wxh

    Besides that, I think the US scientist mentioned in the article above may have been engaging in a cover up, as opposed to protecting the Chinese scientists, and it could be a case of plausible deniability?

    Anyway, it's all very fishy and we will probably never know the real truth about what happened.
    So based on that logic you'd agree/assume that the Salisbury poisonings are an experiment gone wrong from Porton Down because it handles dodgy stuff and is just up the road?
    I'll get a round to buying a 'real' guitar one day.
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 5031
    The more we disrespect animals and consume them as if there is no tomorrow, the more we will get inter species transfer and resultant mutation.
    This has been the route influenza mutations have taken all along. 

    However, it is interesting, surely, that COVID 19 first broke out in the city that houses China's big biological research facility? Notice that it was relatively easily contained and the death toll was relatively low.

    Then notice that the only world economy that is now booming is China's, and that in the period prior to COVID hitting, their economy was slowing and Trump was waging his fight to remove dependence on China. Finally, overlay the reluctance to allow external investigation and the mysterious death of whistleblower doctor.

    It's not beyond the realms of possibility that COVID 19 came from a lab, and feasible that this was orchestrated. Hopefully unlikely, but I think it's foolish to blindly rule anything out really.

    History shows us that dictatorships do obscene and unbelievable things. The bottom line is, the world doesn't know how COVID 19 started, and the route to the answers has been obstructed by Chinese authorities. 
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