Dog prices are insane these days

Axe_meister

Very different personalities, the Dach Jack shit (there is also some shitzu in there as well) although older is a real live wire and can be quite puppy like at the age of 8. He loves a good bark at any wildlife in the garden and the local cats who torment him. The beagle (5) is lazy as fuck, all she wants to do is eat, sleep and have cuddles. 

merlin

Dogs are insane. The prices have to match that insanity. 

paulnb57

Whatever dog you get, whatever breed, whatever cost, please,
a) vet (SWIDT) your breeder
b) research the breed and dont just buy on looks...

A dogs a dog, right? Erm, nope, they all process food, sniff bums, hump your leg etc etc....but many dogs were bred for a purpose, often long forgotten.....an element of this breeding probably will still reside in the dogs character...many breeds have inherent health issues, do your research!
and if you get a puppy FFS take it to as many puppy classes as you can for its first few weeks, socialise the crap out of it...thank me later

Border Collies, bred to heard sheep, dont be surprised of it heards ducks, children, people, traffic ...and I swear they are psychopaths
Beagles, scent dogs, gets scent follows it ( what do you call a person with a dog lead and no dog? A Beagle owner?
Staffy, cracking dog, but its a Terrier, bred to fight bulls, each other, ratters, strong great with the kids.....socialise it and it will be a joy (we are on our second)
Dachshund, potential back problems
Labs potential hip problems
Frenchies, potential breathing and eye problems etc...
English Bull Terrier, potential Hip problems, Allergies, White ones often deaf, obsessive, wilful, stubborn, destructive, (we have an English! we vetted the breeder, did our research, we socialised it, a lot, it payed off!
She has her moments! as do they all, she makes me laugh every waking hour, shes fantastic with people, kids and other dogs, because she was socialised early on.....
She has no allergies, no hip issues, good hearing (when she listens), (we did our research) plenty of exercise and shes too tired to be destructive

I could go on....

Do your research! Socialise! Enjoy!

Oh and train it!
 So many people tell their dogs they are doing bad, but forget to praise the good behaviours.....

boogieman

Socialising is going to be difficult at the moment. Likewise all puppy training classes are on hold. I do take your point though, in an ideal covid-free world we’d be doing all that. 

We finally got a Black Labrador puppy yesterday and she’s a little belter. Obligatory new dog thread with pics coming soon. 

Deadman

I’ve registered interest for 5 rescue dogs over lockdown and not been successful yet. They’ve all been quite far away to be fair so maybe that had a bearing. Been without a dog for 13 months now since my little mate died and it’s tough. I don’t want to pay big bucks but might have to at this rate to get the right one. Never thought it’d end up like this.

rustneversleeps

 I don’t want to pay big bucks but might have to at this rate to get the right one. Never thought it’d end up like this.

This what I had to do in the end.Regarding rescue  I’ve found the odds are normally against you.My old dog was rescued but a puppy lived till she was 17.Prior to that I tried some rescues but didn’t work out.I myself was shocked at the prices today.

axisus

paulnb57 said:

Whatever dog you get, whatever breed, whatever cost, please,
a) vet (SWIDT) your breeder
b) research the breed and dont just buy on looks...

Yup, totally on the case with those things.

paulnb57 said:

Oh and train it!
 So many people tell their dogs they are doing bad, but forget to praise the good behaviours.....

Absolutely! It's a real hate of mine when peoples dogs harass you in an unpleasant way.

EricTheWeary

And yet you could pick up a black beauty (sic) adult, black ex racing greyhound tomorrow. 

I must admit if we were looking for a dog a greyhound would be too large for us for various reasons but it seems an injustice world. 

crunchman

paulnb57 said:

Whatever dog you get, whatever breed, whatever cost, please,
a) vet (SWIDT) your breeder
b) research the breed and dont just buy on looks...

Alternatively, just get a proper good old fashioned mongrel that hasn't been subject to generation after generation of inbreeding.

When I was a kid, a large number of the dogs I saw seemed to be mongrels.  Now it all seems to be about the status of having a "breed".  Everyone is deliberately buying inbred dogs with all kinds of health problems.  It's daft.

I couldn't believe the comment I saw about someone being charged £2500 plus pick of the litter for a stud.  Not sure if that was in this thread or the one @Gassage started.  It's got completely out of hand.  Just take her to local park and let nature take its course.  3 or 4 generations of doing that and a lot of the problems would be fixed.

I think the BBC has dropped Crufts so there is some progress, but the Kennel Club should be shut down.

Gassage

crunchman said:

paulnb57 said:

Whatever dog you get, whatever breed, whatever cost, please,
a) vet (SWIDT) your breeder
b) research the breed and dont just buy on looks...

Alternatively, just get a proper good old fashioned mongrel that hasn't been subject to generation after generation of inbreeding.

When I was a kid, a large number of the dogs I saw seemed to be mongrels.  Now it all seems to be about the status of having a "breed".  Everyone is deliberately buying inbred dogs with all kinds of health problems.  It's daft.

I couldn't believe the comment I saw about someone being charged £2500 plus pick of the litter for a stud.  Not sure if that was in this thread or the one @Gassage started.  It's got completely out of hand.  Just take her to local park and let nature take its course.  3 or 4 generations of doing that and a lot of the problems would be fixed.

I think the BBC has dropped Crufts so there is some progress, but the Kennel Club should be shut down.

A few points back-

1. Things like Labradoodles and cockapoos have purposely been kept well away from breed standards in order to protect diversity of health. Those are by far the most popular breeds right now, with crossbred staffies close behind. 
2. It's all very well saying get this or that, but you're taking big risks if you don't have an understanding of the dog's behaviour. Why take a risk when you can have certainty in a massive decision?
3. £2500 plus pick is fine if the dogs are commanding 2500-3000. It's simple supply and demand.
4. It's not about status so much as certainty of behaviour.
5. Don't disagree re KC

digitalscream

Gassage said:

2. It's all very well saying get this or that, but you're taking big risks if you don't have an understanding of the dog's behaviour. Why take a risk when you can have certainty in a massive decision?

This is often said, but the thing is...if you get a rescue dog, the rescue will always have tested the dog's temperament extensively, and will know exactly what the right environment for it is. You don't get the same thing with a puppy.

Ergo...there's actually more risk with a puppy than there is with a rescue dog.

The world doesn't need more dogs. It needs about half as many as there already are.

crunchman

Behaviour can be trained.  The farm I grew up on, my dad's dogs were always really good natured.  There was another guy on the farm who had two of the most nasty dogs I've ever come across.  Both completely different breeds.  One of those was a collie, and every other collie I've ever come across has been really good natured.  It was down to the owner.

I've known people with Staffies that have been good natured.  Yet they can get a bad reputation with a bad owner.

My brother-in-law has Newfoundland that is not good at all, which goes entirely against what the breed is supposed to be like:

https://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/newfoundlands.html

That says: "Sweetness of temperament is the hallmark of the Newfoundland."

He's had to leave it at my mother-in-law's because it can't get on with his partner's dogs.  It's aggressive towards family members, and is generally a nasty piece of work, which is worrying in a dog that size.  The problem is my brother-in-law though.  He has never trained the dog properly, and has never ever disciplined it in any way.

Breeds might have certain characteristics, but 90% of it is how they are trained.

Gassage

digitalscream said:

Gassage said:

2. It's all very well saying get this or that, but you're taking big risks if you don't have an understanding of the dog's behaviour. Why take a risk when you can have certainty in a massive decision?

This is often said, but the thing is...if you get a rescue dog, the rescue will always have tested the dog's temperament extensively, and will know exactly what the right environment for it is. You don't get the same thing with a puppy.

Ergo...there's actually more risk with a puppy than there is with a rescue dog.

The world doesn't need more dogs. It needs about half as many as there already are.

In some instances yes, but many want the experience of puppyhood. Also, there’s something very special about the bonds formed at that age.

A logical extension is, don’t have kids, adopt.

axisus

digitalscream said:

This is often said, but the thing is...if you get a rescue dog, the rescue will always have tested the dog's temperament extensively, and will know exactly what the right environment for it is. 

Er ... no. Yes, they work out the dog as much as possible, but there can be big unknowns.

As I mentioned at the start, I know of two families who had rescue dogs, they had the reports of this that and the other, they 'seemed' like a good fit but they weren't. The dogs had issues. A rescue dog is an option, and yes, you are doing a wonderful thing if you give one a home, but a rescue dog is not necessarily for everyone. 

Deadman

Gassage said:

3. £2500 plus pick is fine if the dogs are commanding 2500-3000. It's simple supply and demand.

I don't think you understand the supply and demand bit. You didn't even reply to your sole request/offer to the lovely idea of allowing your dog to have pups!

breakstuff

Gassage said:

digitalscream said:

Gassage said:

2. It's all very well saying get this or that, but you're taking big risks if you don't have an understanding of the dog's behaviour. Why take a risk when you can have certainty in a massive decision?

This is often said, but the thing is...if you get a rescue dog, the rescue will always have tested the dog's temperament extensively, and will know exactly what the right environment for it is. You don't get the same thing with a puppy.

Ergo...there's actually more risk with a puppy than there is with a rescue dog.

The world doesn't need more dogs. It needs about half as many as there already are.

In some instances yes, but many want the experience of puppyhood. Also, there’s something very special about the bonds formed at that age.

A logical extension is, don’t have kids, adopt.

Out of our two Chihuahuas, Bob was a rescue and Dave we've had since a puppy. As much as we love Bob, the bond with Dave is just that tiny bit stronger. I think it's unavoidable when you've reared a dog from eight weeks old. Bob has a few issues that we're slowly working through, mainly extreme nervousness and is improving weekly. Saying that they're both treated exactly the same with the same amount of love and attention. 

Gassage

Deadman said:

Gassage said:

3. £2500 plus pick is fine if the dogs are commanding 2500-3000. It's simple supply and demand.

I don't think you understand the supply and demand bit. You didn't even reply to your sole request/offer to the lovely idea of allowing your dog to have pups!

Oooof! Then I apologise- will let you know ASAP.

The discussion is still ongoing in Chez Gassage.

Alistair is against her being forced raped in a cage and being violated against her will......(which is slightly hypocritical given that the humanistic equivalent is one of his favourite fantasies...)

Deadman

Gassage said:

Deadman said:

Gassage said:

3. £2500 plus pick is fine if the dogs are commanding 2500-3000. It's simple supply and demand.

I don't think you understand the supply and demand bit. You didn't even reply to your sole request/offer to the lovely idea of allowing your dog to have pups!

Oooof! Then I apologise- will let you know ASAP.

The discussion is still ongoing in Chez Gassage.

Alistair is against her being forced raped in a cage and being violated against her will......(which is slightly hypocritical given that the humanistic equivalent is one of his favourite fantasies...)

Hey no worries mate I think your Lola’s potential offspring will be too big for chez Dead anyway in hindsight. Best of luck with it all though.

ThePrettyDamned

Gassage said:

Deadman said:

Gassage said:

3. £2500 plus pick is fine if the dogs are commanding 2500-3000. It's simple supply and demand.

I don't think you understand the supply and demand bit. You didn't even reply to your sole request/offer to the lovely idea of allowing your dog to have pups!

Oooof! Then I apologise- will let you know ASAP.

The discussion is still ongoing in Chez Gassage.

Alistair is against her being forced raped in a cage and being violated against her will......(which is slightly hypocritical given that the humanistic equivalent is one of his favourite fantasies...)

Not to sound too weird, but a local breeder I know discovered it's quite hard to get a dog humped successfully (which seems insane given the number of dogs that have humped my leg...). 

Instead, they had to use a harness and manually inseminate.

Their first litter was mostly sick and lost them a huge sum of money, as well as an enormous physical and psychological toll on the family. They've learnt a lot, and now are considered a good breeder, but I don't know that I'd get a dog from them (not least because they continue the inbreeding thing). 

McToot

Just to chip in...

We decided in 2019, after years of being badgered by the kids, to get a dog and started doing research into breeds, their typical character traits and any known health issues. Like so many we decided on a cockapoo and once the first lockdown kicked into gear we started looking at Pets4homes and the like. I quickly realised it was awash with scammers and fraudsters so I basically told the kids that we'd have to be patient. 

I got a list of approved breeders from the UK cockapoo club and contacted all of them in the SE and home counties; only a couple replied: one basically said that I would have to join VERY long waiting list and the other was pretty brusque and asked for a bit of information on us, which I supplied. Lo and behold she contacted me a couple of months later when her dog had a litter and offered us one; she must have liked the description of us and our situation.

Interestingly, the breeder insisted that we sign a contract to state we would have Biscuit spayed and would not breed her. Also if our circumstances chaged we are not allowed to sell her, but will have to return her to the breeder. It gave a certain amount of confidence that we were buying from a decent breeder. We were just lucky on the timings, I guess. We paid £1,800. 

I did contact all the rescue centres in Sussex and neighbouring counties and there simply were none available. Utter madness.

We love the little thing - especially as she doesn't look like every other cockapoo that we see every day - but we haven't been very successful on training her, so there will need to be some remedial action taken when lockdown ends and we'll need to pay for professional advice...

This is Biscuit about to give me some advice on guitar gear and to explain to me why I will never make a good guitarist: