Metallica - Black Album Box Set / Reissue

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BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
edited March 19 in Music
Didn't want to derail the other Metallica thread so I thought I'd start a new thread.

This should be announced very very soon, anyone looking forward to it at all? I know I am, I can't wait actually! Wondering what it's going to contain, I also can't imagine a remaster sounding as good as the Black Album already does. However if it's as good a remaster as the other 4 it should sound brilliant none the less.

I was thinking perhaps some more doco footage, couple of live shows, the infamous demos from the singles. B sides and stuff, perhaps even some alternate mixes (it was remixed 3 times by all accounts!).

Anyway, fingers crossed we hear about it soon.

P.s. Any Metallica fans out there, check out the podcast, "Metal Up Your Podcast" it's great. 

.....I don't care if you're big in the city, nothing at all is what that means.


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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 7215
    30 years! Feeling old now. 

    I was at sixth form when it came out, saw the NEC gig on that tour. Pivotal album for me, so keen to see what’s going to be in this set. 
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Yeah it's mental!!

    The first album I heard by them was Justice (listening to it now actually), and it was an eye opener. To then hear the black album not long after was the key, lifelong Metallica nut after that. I didn't get to see them live until Donington 1995 (was too young before that according to my parents). That was a mental day, they are a live band, where it all makes most sense, one of the best days of my life. 

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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 7215
    I was at Donnington ‘95 as well!
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Awesome!! That was a great day, made it to the front for Metallica, having braved a mental pit between Skid Row and Therapy, and then another one between Therapy and Metallica. Got smashed in the face with a bottle of suncream and was bleeding everywhere, didn't care, loved every minute.

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  • DiscoStuDiscoStu Frets: 4138
    I was at Donnington ‘95 as well!
    Boromedic said:
    Awesome!! That was a great day, made it to the front for Metallica, having braved a mental pit between Skid Row and Therapy, and then another one between Therapy and Metallica. Got smashed in the face with a bottle of suncream and was bleeding everywhere, didn't care, loved every minute.
    That was a great gig. It rained piss the whole time!
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Hahaha, just a bit. My bath looked horrendous when I finally got in it.......

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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 2085
    edited March 23
    Maybe we'll get a reissue of the Year and a Half In the Life of Metallica documentary that was released back then. Used to have it on VHS and it was a right  Spinal Tap laugh. (Tap even made an appearance).

    Always remember the band making fun of Jason for making sandwiches at a gig buffet, to take back to his hotel later. 
    Film maker "Jason you're a millionaire."
    Jason "I've got plans for those millions, and it aint for fucking sandwiches." Brilliant. 

    Saw them in Manchester on that album tour. Was worried it was going to be cancelled. But by then James was playing guitar again, though was still wearing bandages on his arms. 

    I'd love to hear a less poppy mix - ie one with the guitars louder and the vocals lower.

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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Yeah I was thinking the same when I mentioned doco footage, kind of the Year and a Half thing with extras perhaps. 

    James sure has had his share of accidents!!

    I think it's pretty guitar heavy as is personally, they sound great especially on vinyl. I suppose we all hear differently :) I can't see them remixing it as they've not done that for the others, but if they have the old mixes they may release them, that would be cool, perhaps one of them might be more what you're after?

    Can't wait and still no announcement!!

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  • darcymdarcym Frets: 1267
    Maybe we'll get a reissue of the Year and a Half In the Life of Metallica documentary that was released back then. Used to have it on VHS and it was a right  Spinal Tap laugh. (Tap even made an appearance).

    Always remember the band making fun of Jason for making sandwiches at a gig buffet, to take back to his hotel later. 
    Film maker "Jason you're a millionaire."
    Jason "I've got plans for those millions, and it aint for fucking sandwiches." Brilliant. 

    Saw them in Manchester on that album tour. Was worried it was going to be cancelled. But by then James was playing guitar again, though was still wearing bandages on his arms. 

    I'd love to hear a less poppy mix - ie one with the guitars louder and the vocals lower.

    I really enjoyed the two parts of those documentaries, a bit of fun but a little bit of behind the curtain too


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  • stonevibestonevibe Frets: 5187
    Hated the Bob Rock Metallica stuff, I think as I grew up on the first three albums, it all just sounded like pop music production by the Black album and so I lost interest.
    How much does it weigh? & Does it play like butter?

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  • hollywoodroxhollywoodrox Frets: 1367
    Me too ,at the time I didn’t rate it as I was a huge fan of the early stuff  ,but now it’s one of my favourites 
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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 2295
    I'm afraid I'm in the pre Black album camp. I was a kid but I felt they'd gone back on a lot of their anti-promotion stuff. Suddenly casuals were wearing their T shirts! :astonished: 
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    edited March 24
    It's mad how these misconceptions still exist. They didn't actively state they were anti promotion. The thing was they could never get any airplay or exposure for a long time as they were considered too extreme, which is ridiculous when you look at some metal bands like Cannibal Corpse. They always did TV and radio stuff, you don't do that if you're "anti-promotion". 

    The mainstream courted Metallica once they realised the power of the music and the fan base, and of course the mainstream sniffed an opportunity to make cash. When Metallica thought it was time and they were ready, they made a video on their terms, everything they've done has been their decision, not a label decision or management request. That's the difference, the only reason you know anything about Metallica is due to promotion, even back in the KEA era. Yes word of mouth played a part, but they were in all the metal rags and fanzines which helped whip up the hype.

    All metal bands owe a debt of gratitude to Metallica, the greatest heavy band of all time. Without them, they would have struggled to make a career out of heavy music, Metallica opened the door for them. Yes there were other bands in the mix back in the US, and of course they did it standing on the shoulders of giants like Sabbath, Zeppelin, Maiden, and all the obscure shit like Diamond Head/NWOBHM Blue Cheer, MC5 etc. that inspired others. However they made heavy music part of the mainstream, something never achieved before. I mean they played songs off their first 4 albums on the Glastonbury main stage FFS!! How amazing is that!

    I never understood that attitude of they were our band and they sold out, it feels a bit ridiculous. Wouldn't you want them to do well? To spread the message? Crazy stuff, I mean like or dislike the newer music, it's fine I've got no qualms with that, but to dislike them for doing well on their own terms seems weird. Having said that, I've seen it time and again when bands make it big and it still baffles me!

    There's some heavy music on The Black Album too, Through The Never is a thrash song, Sad But True is heavy as hell! To dismiss it as they simplified the tunes is crazy to me, I mean I respect the opinion, but I can't understand it all the same. The band said it themselves, they saw the crowds reactions to the Justice progressive stuff, people were bored in the audience, so they changed their outlook and songwriting. Everyone blames Bob for the shorter, poppy songs, the reality is they'd written all them songs before Bob even had anything to do with them, so that was their choice. They took Bob a demo of 6 tracks including Sandman, Sad but True, Roam, etc. that they wrote in Lars basement prior to getting a producer in at all. 

    I dunno, if you get to that point as a band on the cusp of being able to never actually worry about money again Vs needing to tour and sell records to pay rent, what would you do? It's easy to say, I'd do what Faith No More did and fuck off the mainstream when it's not your choice, less easy to do so when you think I wouldn't have to worry ever again. People also forget how hard they worked to get as big as they did, no band toured as hard or as long as Metallica did, even from the early years. They were road dogs with literally nothing until the Puppets/Justice era, when they could finally pay rent and stuff. They are known for their hard work and perseverance. Fame wasn't thrown at them, they paid their dues fair and square, a few times over. 

    IMHO, YMMV and all that. I just can't get with the sell out argument about any band really. I think Metallica have trodden that line quite well compared to others. It's a game of opinions innit Jeff. 

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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 2085
    edited March 24
    Yeah I've never understood the "black album is not metal" crowd. There's plenty of heavy stuff on that record. Sure the mix is radio friendly with the vocals up front, but there are loads of crushing riffs.

    I don't think it was a sell out, it was a distillation. Previously the band had lacked self editing, with some songs taking to long to get to the point or not focussing on their best elements. I think Bob Rock helped them really find the essence in those songs.

    That voice of "no" has been something they've lacked since Load and something plenty of other bands such as Iron Maiden could do with. 

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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Spot on @Grumpyrocker that's exactly what Metallica need, someone to push and goad them to making better song choices and better quality control. Especially Kirk and Lars. Defo Maiden as well, same problems. 

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  • randellarandella Frets: 2784
    edited March 24
    Boromedic said:

    and of course they did it standing on the shoulders of giants like Sabbath, Zeppelin, Maiden, and all the obscure shit like Diamond Head/NWOBHM Blue Cheer, MC5 etc. that inspired others. ally. I think Metallica have trodden that line quite well compared to others. It's a game of opinions innit Jeff. 
    @Boromedic - great post that. I've snipped this bit out only because I was listening to Kill 'Em All the other day, thinking how much Motorhead you can hear in some of the tracks. They never hid the fact that they were big fans, to be fair
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Cheers @randella , I always get a bit passionate about the Tallica boys!! Yeah Motorhead is a biggie as well, definitely obvious on Kill Em All, I love that album. Sounds great!

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  • LastMantraLastMantra Frets: 1674
    Maybe we'll get a reissue of the Year and a Half In the Life of Metallica documentary that was released back then. Used to have it on VHS and it was a right  Spinal Tap laugh. (Tap even made an appearance).

    Always remember the band making fun of Jason for making sandwiches at a gig buffet, to take back to his hotel later. 
    Film maker "Jason you're a millionaire."
    Jason "I've got plans for those millions, and it aint for fucking sandwiches." Brilliant. 

    Saw them in Manchester on that album tour. Was worried it was going to be cancelled. But by then James was playing guitar again, though was still wearing bandages on his arms. 

    I'd love to hear a less poppy mix - ie one with the guitars louder and the vocals lower.

    I couldn't figure out whether some kind of monster was a piss take or not. Funny bunch of guys.
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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 2295
    Boromedic said:
    It's mad how these misconceptions still exist. They didn't actively state they were anti promotion. The thing was they could never get any airplay or exposure for a long time as they were considered too extreme, which is ridiculous when you look at some metal bands like Cannibal Corpse. They always did TV and radio stuff, you don't do that if you're "anti-promotion". 

    The mainstream courted Metallica once they realised the power of the music and the fan base, and of course the mainstream sniffed an opportunity to make cash. When Metallica thought it was time and they were ready, they made a video on their terms, everything they've done has been their decision, not a label decision or management request. That's the difference, the only reason you know anything about Metallica is due to promotion, even back in the KEA era. Yes word of mouth played a part, but they were in all the metal rags and fanzines which helped whip up the hype.

    All metal bands owe a debt of gratitude to Metallica, the greatest heavy band of all time. Without them, they would have struggled to make a career out of heavy music, Metallica opened the door for them. Yes there were other bands in the mix back in the US, and of course they did it standing on the shoulders of giants like Sabbath, Zeppelin, Maiden, and all the obscure shit like Diamond Head/NWOBHM Blue Cheer, MC5 etc. that inspired others. However they made heavy music part of the mainstream, something never achieved before. I mean they played songs off their first 4 albums on the Glastonbury main stage FFS!! How amazing is that!

    I never understood that attitude of they were our band and they sold out, it feels a bit ridiculous. Wouldn't you want them to do well? To spread the message? Crazy stuff, I mean like or dislike the newer music, it's fine I've got no qualms with that, but to dislike them for doing well on their own terms seems weird. Having said that, I've seen it time and again when bands make it big and it still baffles me!

    There's some heavy music on The Black Album too, Through The Never is a thrash song, Sad But True is heavy as hell! To dismiss it as they simplified the tunes is crazy to me, I mean I respect the opinion, but I can't understand it all the same. The band said it themselves, they saw the crowds reactions to the Justice progressive stuff, people were bored in the audience, so they changed their outlook and songwriting. Everyone blames Bob for the shorter, poppy songs, the reality is they'd written all them songs before Bob even had anything to do with them, so that was their choice. They took Bob a demo of 6 tracks including Sandman, Sad but True, Roam, etc. that they wrote in Lars basement prior to getting a producer in at all. 

    I dunno, if you get to that point as a band on the cusp of being able to never actually worry about money again Vs needing to tour and sell records to pay rent, what would you do? It's easy to say, I'd do what Faith No More did and fuck off the mainstream when it's not your choice, less easy to do so when you think I wouldn't have to worry ever again. People also forget how hard they worked to get as big as they did, no band toured as hard or as long as Metallica did, even from the early years. They were road dogs with literally nothing until the Puppets/Justice era, when they could finally pay rent and stuff. They are known for their hard work and perseverance. Fame wasn't thrown at them, they paid their dues fair and square, a few times over. 

    IMHO, YMMV and all that. I just can't get with the sell out argument about any band really. I think Metallica have trodden that line quite well compared to others. It's a game of opinions innit Jeff. 
    Well that's told me.. :) fantastic post @Boromedic . I loved Justice for the progressive elements and wanted more of that if I'm honest - songs with lots of twists and turns. I was also pretty judgemental about the new fans - proper selfishness and snobbery on my part I know.
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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 2085
    edited March 24
    There's a lot of Sabbath in there too. A lot of Metallica songs use Sabbath riffs played quickly. And some times not even different from the original - For Whole the Bell Tolls for example lifts part of Fairies Wear Boots (and Jethro Tull's Sweet Dream). 



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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    edited March 24
    Not too mention, Fade To Black, the run up to the outro part is literally National Acrobat!! 

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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Boromedic said:
    It's mad how these misconceptions still exist. They didn't actively state they were anti promotion. The thing was they could never get any airplay or exposure for a long time as they were considered too extreme, which is ridiculous when you look at some metal bands like Cannibal Corpse. They always did TV and radio stuff, you don't do that if you're "anti-promotion". 

    The mainstream courted Metallica once they realised the power of the music and the fan base, and of course the mainstream sniffed an opportunity to make cash. When Metallica thought it was time and they were ready, they made a video on their terms, everything they've done has been their decision, not a label decision or management request. That's the difference, the only reason you know anything about Metallica is due to promotion, even back in the KEA era. Yes word of mouth played a part, but they were in all the metal rags and fanzines which helped whip up the hype.

    All metal bands owe a debt of gratitude to Metallica, the greatest heavy band of all time. Without them, they would have struggled to make a career out of heavy music, Metallica opened the door for them. Yes there were other bands in the mix back in the US, and of course they did it standing on the shoulders of giants like Sabbath, Zeppelin, Maiden, and all the obscure shit like Diamond Head/NWOBHM Blue Cheer, MC5 etc. that inspired others. However they made heavy music part of the mainstream, something never achieved before. I mean they played songs off their first 4 albums on the Glastonbury main stage FFS!! How amazing is that!

    I never understood that attitude of they were our band and they sold out, it feels a bit ridiculous. Wouldn't you want them to do well? To spread the message? Crazy stuff, I mean like or dislike the newer music, it's fine I've got no qualms with that, but to dislike them for doing well on their own terms seems weird. Having said that, I've seen it time and again when bands make it big and it still baffles me!

    There's some heavy music on The Black Album too, Through The Never is a thrash song, Sad But True is heavy as hell! To dismiss it as they simplified the tunes is crazy to me, I mean I respect the opinion, but I can't understand it all the same. The band said it themselves, they saw the crowds reactions to the Justice progressive stuff, people were bored in the audience, so they changed their outlook and songwriting. Everyone blames Bob for the shorter, poppy songs, the reality is they'd written all them songs before Bob even had anything to do with them, so that was their choice. They took Bob a demo of 6 tracks including Sandman, Sad but True, Roam, etc. that they wrote in Lars basement prior to getting a producer in at all. 

    I dunno, if you get to that point as a band on the cusp of being able to never actually worry about money again Vs needing to tour and sell records to pay rent, what would you do? It's easy to say, I'd do what Faith No More did and fuck off the mainstream when it's not your choice, less easy to do so when you think I wouldn't have to worry ever again. People also forget how hard they worked to get as big as they did, no band toured as hard or as long as Metallica did, even from the early years. They were road dogs with literally nothing until the Puppets/Justice era, when they could finally pay rent and stuff. They are known for their hard work and perseverance. Fame wasn't thrown at them, they paid their dues fair and square, a few times over. 

    IMHO, YMMV and all that. I just can't get with the sell out argument about any band really. I think Metallica have trodden that line quite well compared to others. It's a game of opinions innit Jeff. 
    Well that's told me.. :) fantastic post @Boromedic . I loved Justice for the progressive elements and wanted more of that if I'm honest - songs with lots of twists and turns. I was also pretty judgemental about the new fans - proper selfishness and snobbery on my part I know.
    Sorry man, I didn't mean no harm, just defending the band a little bit thats all!

    If you like Justice, have you heard Hardwired To Self Destruct? Atlas Rise would fit right on Justice and sounds amazing, theres lots of Death Magnetic thats very Justice like too, but it suffers from awful production so it can be a tiring listen.

    I don't think you were being judgemental or snobby, I know how it's easy to feel possessive of a band you love from the early years on. I've had pangs of that myself to be sure! All the best mate, let me know iif you've heard the newer stuff or not and what you think either way. :)

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  • ReverendReverend Frets: 2563
    Lars was head of the american Motorhead fan club in the early 80s so no surprise they had a bit of that

    Orion mid section is Wishbone Ash
    Sanitarium is Bleak House
    For whom the bells toll is Angel Witch
    Call of khtulu is ted nugent 
    Seek and destroy is ufo via diamond head.
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  • BloodEagleBloodEagle Frets: 4970
    Another notable resemblance I can think of is the ultra heavy part in One and Dark Angel Darkness Descends 
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 13039
    I'm trying to work my way through some later Metalica albums as I really just gave up after Load came out.

    I'm trying to listen to Death Magnetic and though there are clearly some songs on there it's the worst mastering I've ever heard. It's literally like they've run the mix through a DS1 it's clipping so much.

    Apparently they have a remastered version, but it's only available on iTunes... Awesome why not make a wax cylinder and an 8 track while you are at it.
    Handsome_Chris said: Like white Nile Rodgers. 
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    Death Magnetic is an appalling listen, great album lost in the loudness war and a lack of QC. Hardwired is a lot lot better mate, sounds great and the songs are better, Atlas Rise is amazing as is Spit Out The Bone. 

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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 13039
    Boromedic said:
    Death Magnetic is an appalling listen, great album lost in the loudness war and a lack of QC. Hardwired is a lot lot better mate, sounds great and the songs are better, Atlas Rise is amazing as is Spit Out The Bone. 

    I just had a quick flick through I think St Anger and Death Magnetic must be two of the worst sounding albums by a major band of all time.

    Hardwired seems much better.
    Handsome_Chris said: Like white Nile Rodgers. 
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  • BloodEagleBloodEagle Frets: 4970
    I remember when Death Magnetic came out and thinking my headphones were knackered - it sounds absolutely awful. 
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 2099
    St Anger is what it is, it saved the band but it's shite really. The live versions of them songs are much better, there was a live DVD with the album that I actually preferred!!

    Death Magnetic is so tiring to listen to due to the mastering, makes my ears actually hurt.

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  • ColsCols Frets: 3136
    Wasn’t there an uncompressed version of Death Magnetic used for the Guitar Hero game where the recording actually had some dynamics?
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