Football - Euro 2020 Championship

TTony

ewal said:

Should never have played Croatia with just three midfielders.

Completely agree.

Really needed some defenders at least, and maybe a striker or two.  I’d suggest a goalie too, but I believe that’s an optional position for Scotland teams?

sev112

1978 World Cup Panini sticker album - what a Scottish squad, everyone was World Cup quality and several or more were world class

pigface

sev112 said:

1978 World Cup Panini sticker album - what a Scottish squad, everyone was World Cup quality and several or more were world class

Indeed. And the 1967 team which won at Wembley. Law, Greig, Baxter, Lennox et al. One of few Scottish high points in my lifetime.
Edit: I just had a look at the 78 squad. What a collection of players.

guitars4you

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

1999 was the last time 11 English players started a match - John Gregory's Villa

TBH, I’m surprised.  I assumed it would have been longer ago than that.

I was surprised - can't find on Google the last time it was a UK/GB X1, just shows an English X1

scrumhalf

I've just discvered that there's no third place playoff.

Well, that just ruins and invalidates the entire tournament as far as I'm concerned.

mrkb

scrumhalf said:

I've just discvered that there's no third place playoff.

Well, that just ruins and invalidates the entire tournament as far as I'm concerned.

Shocking! How will we know who is the second best loser now?!?

munckee

I think we’ve played two and lost two so far. Therefore they are meaningless. 

sev112

Apparently the footy hasn’t finished after all and it all starts from scratch again tonight

munckee

I reckon the winner comes from the Belgium Italy match. 

sev112

Unless it’s a draw 

DefaultM

munckee said:

I reckon the winner comes from the Belgium Italy match. 

People seem to have discounted Belgium. Their odds drifted past evens vs Russia and they won 3-0. I think their pre tournament odds were about 13/2 yet now they're in the quarters they've drifted to 15/2.
That means with all the major teams like France, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal in at the start they had more chance of winning than now when they're in the quarters and those teams are eliminated?

Possibly because they're playing Italy who looked great at first, but then they beat a 10 man Wales 1-0, and didn't exactly dispatch Austria with ease. Also everyone now assumes England have already won since beating Germany, so that forces prices out on other teams.
Maybe they'll get absolutely smashed tonight, but I think they've got a far better chance than is shown.

wibble

Interesting article on Wired about the odds using a data model from some sports intelligence agency...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/england-win-euros-data-odds

p90fool

I think Italy looked pretty flakey tbh, I think England would be happy to meet them if they get to the final.  

EricTheWeary

France going out seemed to widen it out a lot. For sheer endurance I’d cheerfully bet on the Danes. 

proggy

p90fool said:

I think Italy looked pretty flakey tbh, I think England would be happy to meet them if they get to the final.  

I thought they played remarkably well until the Austria game. I wouldn't write them off.

DefaultM

wibble said:

Interesting article on Wired about the odds using a data model from some sports intelligence agency...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/england-win-euros-data-odds

Very interesting that their models are more pessimistic than Betfair Exchange prices on England. They give them a 75% chance to qualify whereas bfex is 80%. Lots of excited England fan money in there pushing the odds down. I also like that they think the same as me about Belgium.

I'd usually take advantage of any odds that were out, but I'm not going to bet against England at this stage. I bet on them not to get out of group stages as the odds were silly, but now they've shown they're pretty decent I'll leave it. 
I may bet on Belgium though, and then see what the odds do if they beat Italy later. 

DefaultM

This Spain vs Switzerland is an interesting one for me. I've got Switzerland over 7 tournament goals, and Spain over 13. A goal from Switzerland is a win, but I need 3 before tournament end for Spain. 
3-1 Spain would obviously be nice, but I'm not even convinced they'll win. 

Edit: or maybe they will after that goal haha.

Woodenhead

guitars4you said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

1999 was the last time 11 English players started a match - John Gregory's Villa

TBH, I’m surprised.  I assumed it would have been longer ago than that.

I was surprised - can't find on Google the last time it was a UK/GB X1, just shows an English X1

Could've sworn Burnley started with a full British/Irish 11 last year, 18/22 of their first team squad are Brit/Irish so it's possible. I'm not going to check every matchday lineup, though

DefaultM

They've swapped Alba's goal to an own goal from Zakaria. That must be frustrating for him.

YellowLedBetterMan

sev112 said:

Is this like the probability thread - we’ve got 50% chance of winning the Euros because every game is 50:50 , no matter how many games we have to play  

AlbertC said:

This tournament is anyone's for the taking. Form, ranking, quality of players have had no bearing on result (okay, maybe except for North Macedonia ).
Every game is 50/50
Can England win? Yes...but it's equally conceivable that any other team left in the draw could.

Oops sorry @crunchman  you beat me to it