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DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
I'm supposed to be having my first rehearsal in over a year tomorrow. One of the guys has just messaged to say his kid is off school isolating due to another child having a positive test, and now his own kid has got a temperature. He's having a test, so if it's negative the rehearsal is on and if it's positive it's off.

Myself and everyone else said okay, but I've told my wife and she's started going mad saying I can't go, because regardless a temperature is symptoms so they should be isolating. The test could say negative but it's not etc.

I'm just looking for opinions on if I should be the dick head and say no we need to cancel regardless? I feel a bit stuck now because if I go my wife is going to be upset and worry for however long that she's about to be ill (she's got asthma and some other chronic illnesses).
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  • djspecialistdjspecialist Frets: 669
    Personally I'd cancel - for your wife's peace of mind if nothing else.
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  • springheadspringhead Frets: 1074
    Postpone it a week or two. You’ve waited a year, hang on another couple of weeks.  
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  • MusicwolfMusicwolf Frets: 2195

    Three step process;

    1. What are the 'rules' about this? (I'm not up to date but you should be able to check on the gov website).  If going to practice contravenes the rules then stop, if it’s allowed proceed to step 2.
    2. Is it right i.e. make your own risk assessment.  Are you all double jabbed, has anyone got an underlying condition etc.  If still ok, proceed to next step
    3. How do your family ‘feel’ about this?  If it is going to upset people then you have to consider this the same way that you would say going out if it was your wife’s birthday or some such event.  You need to see it from both sides.

    As we emerge from lockdown and the rules ease then we’re going to have to make these calls ourselves and it may take a bit of getting used to.

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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 19378
    Postpone it a week or two. You’ve waited a year, hang on another couple of weeks.  
    This.
    Now accepting applicants for the position of Minister for Being Reasonable Until Questioned. 
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  • StratavariousStratavarious Frets: 1426
    If your wife considers herself at risk, there is only one right answer.




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  • ColsCols Frets: 3727
    Mrs DefaultM isn’t quite correct.

    The requirements are that your band mate (and the rest of his household) currently needs to self-isolate as his son is symptomatic and a PCR test result is not available.

    If the test result is negative, it means that the rest of the household no longer needs to self-isolate.  The kid, however, does need to remain under self-isolation as he’s been in contact with someone confirmed positive.  So the rehearsal would legally be on.

    Other things to bear in mind:

    1.  The PCR test is 75% accurate.  If the kid tests negative, there’s still a chance he could be infected.
    2.  Vaccination status doesn’t eliminate transmission, but makes a difference.  If you and your mate are both fully jabbed and had 3 weeks since Jab 2, this will reduce any residual risk of transmission.
    3.  A positive testing classmate followed in short order by the kid running a fever does make ‘infected’ the more likely scenario.

    Personally, I’d explain the NHS requirements to Mrs DefaultM and, if she’s still not happy, make my apologies to the rest of the band on account of the residual risk and her clinical vulnerability.
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    Musicwolf said:

    Three step process;

    1. What are the 'rules' about this? (I'm not up to date but you should be able to check on the gov website).  If going to practice contravenes the rules then stop, if it’s allowed proceed to step 2.
    2. Is it right i.e. make your own risk assessment.  Are you all double jabbed, has anyone got an underlying condition etc.  If still ok, proceed to next step
    3. How do your family ‘feel’ about this?  If it is going to upset people then you have to consider this the same way that you would say going out if it was your wife’s birthday or some such event.  You need to see it from both sides.

    As we emerge from lockdown and the rules ease then we’re going to have to make these calls ourselves and it may take a bit of getting used to.

    Great post thanks. I'm not sure the rules to be honest, I find it all very confusing so I've basically just stayed in and not seen anyone since March last year. All my social life was my 3 bands, and gigs have been off so that was that. I've been looking forward to seeing people that aren't just strangers in a supermarket!

    Our usual studio has permanently closed due to lockdown, but we do seem to be booked in to another proper studio so I'm assuming the rehearsing itself is all above board. It's more that if the test comes back negative, the kid is still clearly ill, so I'm not sure I'd trust it.

    I already felt I'm going to have to cancel, but just thought I should check I didn't get any "don't be silly thats not how it works".
    It was the only chance we had to rehearse before our first gig back though, so we're going to be looking at an absolute shambles haha.
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    Cols said:
    Mrs DefaultM isn’t quite correct.

    The requirements are that your band mate (and the rest of his household) currently needs to self-isolate as his son is symptomatic and a PCR test result is not available.

    If the test result is negative, it means that the rest of the household no longer needs to self-isolate.  The kid, however, does need to remain under self-isolation as he’s been in contact with someone confirmed positive.  So the rehearsal would legally be on.

    Other things to bear in mind:

    1.  The PCR test is 75% accurate.  If the kid tests negative, there’s still a chance he could be infected.
    2.  Vaccination status doesn’t eliminate transmission, but makes a difference.  If you and your mate are both fully jabbed and had 3 weeks since Jab 2, this will reduce any residual risk of transmission.
    3.  A positive testing classmate followed in short order by the kid running a fever does make ‘infected’ the more likely scenario.

    Personally, I’d explain the NHS requirements to Mrs DefaultM and, if she’s still not happy, make my apologies to the rest of the band on account of the residual risk and her clinical vulnerability.
    I read this out to her and she stopped on number one and said thats the end of it and she doesn't want to risk.
    Off I go to make 3 grown men sulk then...
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  • ColsCols Frets: 3727
    That’s fair enough.  No point provoking a major domestic over something which can be easily rescheduled.
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    Thinking about it you're right it would be a bit odd if the other child had a positive test, then my friend's kid gets symptoms as well but his test comes back negative. I don't think in that scenario I would be comfortable saying the negative test was correct. 
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 6396
    I've been doing rehearsals for the last few weeks and in the situation you described, I'd cancel.
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 4718
    I’m known around these parts for being more liberal than most about covid restrictions.
    I wouldn’t be going ahead with band rehearsal under those circumstances and I’m pretty sure my other band members would want to either and I know they’d understand if anyone of us pulled out under those circumstances.
    There’s taking risk and there’s being reckless. Going ahead would be the latter
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  • Nick13Nick13 Frets: 635
    While I'd be tempted, I'd leave it till the relative all clear is signalled
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    Told them and they understand so that's good. I feel really bad, but I think I would feel worse if my wife became ill because I'd ignored her and gone anyway. I can do without that being brought up every 6 months haha.
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  • JfingersJfingers Frets: 16
    I would absolutely cancel, in fact I wouldn't have had to ask. If I was worried about my bandmates making me feel that that way, I would leave the band in a heartbeat. Your Family is worth more than some pain in the arse rehearsal, no matter how much fun it would be at the time, IMHO.
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  • Placidcasual79Placidcasual79 Frets: 714
    Its interesting isnt it - my band have gone from rehearsing weekly and gigging a couple of times a month to literally no activity since the first lockdown. 
     Its an 8 piece band. I've used the time to write and record 7 tracks with drums, bass, guitar, keys and horns - I've even tried to work out some vocal melodies - but have truly learnt how awful my voice is.....
     The suspension of activity has actually caused some (minor) tension in the band - like all you guys our group has a spectrum of commitment - some literally live for the band and at the other end there are those who really cant be arsed practicing and just want to gig occasionally. 
     Our bass player's wife has a lung condition - so I think its totally appropriate to errr on the side of caution and keep things on hold indefinitely - others are very unhappy we aren't getting back to practicing and gigging already. I understand that frustration - but honestly there is nothing more important health of your loved ones and I wouldnt want anyone in the group to feel pressure to do something that might make them anxious or uncomfortable. I think everyone goes at their own pace and has their own views and worries - and some people wont necessarily agree with the govt's view and might prefer to be more cautious - I think we have to look out for our friends and family and band mates and take all the time required to ensure people are comfortable....

    Anyway - I just wanted to ask - do your groups have insurance? We do (I dont know a lot about it - the signer sorted it - and we all pay a very small yearly contribution) - but I was wondering if someone catching COVID at a show doesnt make you legally accountable.....?
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    edited July 19
    Yeah we've got public liability insurance, think it was about £60 for the year. I'd have thought the venue would be more likely to get sued for covid related stuff than the band, but you never know. 
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  • Placidcasual79Placidcasual79 Frets: 714
    DefaultM said:
    Yeah we've got public liability insurance, think it was about £60 for the year. I'd have thought the venue would be more likely to get sued for covid related stuff than the band, but you never know. 
    Yeah - thats it - public liability - ours is £60 odd quid. 

    I am sure it must be the venues responsibility to follow whatever regulations are applicable - I just wonder if there is an onus on us as musicians to check any of that 
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 3949
    edited July 20
    There's been a few times when someone has been pissed up and fallen in to the PA, and I've just stood there thinking we're about to get our money's worth out of the insurance here.
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  • andy_kandy_k Frets: 550
    We have been rehearsing weekly now for about 8-9 weeks.
    The studio insisted on a monthly payment, instead of paying by the session, due to too many cancellations at the last minute, from people who have regular slots booked, actually works out cheaper for us if we don't cancel anytime.
    It is a bit awkward, as the other guitar works a 5 in 7 rolling shift pattern which means he has to miss 2 in 7, so I try and use the time as an opportunity to record, or review stuff through the PA.
    We are also a weird mix of opinions, ranging between complete anti vax / plandemic types to people that have followed all the rules religiously, and some who simply have no idea what is going on.
    I have chosen to not have the vaccine, as I am somewhat dubious, and the drummer is absolutely anti vax.
    Bass, Gtr 2 and singer have all been vaxxed, just cos it is what everybody does.
    The singer is the only one of us to have 'had' the virus, he is also the only one to have the 'app', and therefore the only times he has had to cancel has been the times he had to isolate after catching it, and the last time, post vax, where he was pinged.
    When he got pinged, it said he had been exposed 5 days previously, and had to isolate for 10 days, so he was free to go around for 5 days unaware, and happily spreading a virus- if he had one.
    Anyhoo, he turned up for rehearsal anyway, saying he had tested negative 3 times, but still hadn't had results from a PCR, so it seems OK to follow all the rules if and when they suit you, but fuck em if it doesn't suit.
    This was all happening the week he was due to go into hospital for a hernia op, which went ahead, so I at least assume his PCR came back negative.
    We had a session last week, without the singer, and learned 3 'new' songs, and just had a jam for fun, instead of running through the same old 10-15 songs we always seem to do, it was quite refreshing, but I suspect it will be back to normal for tonights session-maybe not if he is a bit sore.
    We had stuff planned when we started to rehearse, which evaporated, so it really is just a maintenance thing right now, I honestly don't think we will be gigging anytime soon, not much call for full volume 70s/ 80s punk covers bands in the current environment.

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