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So I’ve been mooching about for a s/h iMac and found a couple claiming to have Logic Pro (and Final Cut) included. I’ve never actually used a Mac but I thought those applications needed to be linked or registered to an existing account. Does this sound a little suspect?

also any recommendations for a s/h Mac store - trying to avoid eBay if possible 
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  • hollywoodroxhollywoodrox Frets: 4084
    edited December 2021
    Macfinder do good deals , also CEX  which also come with 2 year warranty’s 
      I wouldn’t complain if final cut and logic were included .
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  • Macfinder do good deals , also CEX  which also come with 2 year warranty’s 
      I wouldn’t complain if final cut and logic were included .
    Macfinder and CEX on it thanks 
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  • dariusdarius Frets: 619
    Hoxton Macs
    Got an imac off them last year. very good service and you can speak to an actual person and they know what theyre talking about.
    Not sure about transferring software. If you call them they will probably help.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9098
    So I’ve been mooching about for a s/h iMac and found a couple claiming to have Logic Pro (and Final Cut) included. I’ve never actually used a Mac but I thought those applications needed to be linked or registered to an existing account. Does this sound a little suspect?

    also any recommendations for a s/h Mac store - trying to avoid eBay if possible 
    Logic and final cut have to be bought via the App Store… they are linked to an Apple ID… so whoever owned the Mac, when they (or you) restore it to factory settings the software will be taken off the mac…
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  • poopot said:
    So I’ve been mooching about for a s/h iMac and found a couple claiming to have Logic Pro (and Final Cut) included. I’ve never actually used a Mac but I thought those applications needed to be linked or registered to an existing account. Does this sound a little suspect?

    also any recommendations for a s/h Mac store - trying to avoid eBay if possible 
    Logic and final cut have to be bought via the App Store… they are linked to an Apple ID… so whoever owned the Mac, when they (or you) restore it to factory settings the software will be taken off the mac…
    Ahh yes of course, thank you - so not such a great deal then…
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 10357
    Software wise ignore any bundled software for the reason @poopot ; mentioned. Only a few weeks back I had to repair a faulty iMac harddrive because he brought the iMac with music software on it and a reload would have meant he had no means of installing the software again. I had to repair the drive then ghost the image to a new SSD which took hours. 

    I'm an Apple repairer, I specialise in Macbooks and iMacs. You need to be careful with iMacs as any machine from 2013 onwards has the LCD bonded in and it's considerably more hassle to change the internal hard drive when (not if) it fails. Now a lot of machines from dealers on Ebay have SSD's fitted to replace the old original drive but it's a job that needs to be done properly and I've seen loads of iMacs that have just had an SSD chucked in without the proper bracket and without the special cable that replaces the original HD's temperature sensor .... meaning the fans constantly on high speed. Dealers also tend to use the cheapest drives like Adata  ..... when you fit an SSD into an iMac it needs to be a decent SSD designed for long service as changing it isn't an easy job. 

    In my experience it's only the harddrive that will generally fail as it's a mechanical device ..assuming the original customer didn't spec an SSD. Some have fusion drives and some have a small capacity pure SSD (128 ish )  and a rotational drive of 650Gb upwards. 

    To replace a 2013 onwards iMac HD see our community repair thread page here :-1: 

    https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/192351/the-community-repair-thread/p8

    The older iMacs before 2013 had a different system where the LCD cover was held on with magnets and when that was released you could unbolt the LCD and access the hard drive but I wouldn't recommend buying a pre 2013 as they will max out on 10:13 
    I would go for a late 2015 or new iMac, that will run the latest version of OSX which should see you fine for a few years at least. I have 5 iMacs in my house, all used for various different things. They are a superb bit of kit in general and one of the nicest machines to use. 
    www.2020studios.co.uk 
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  • Danny1969 said:
    Software wise ignore any bundled software for the reason @poopot ; mentioned. Only a few weeks back I had to repair a faulty iMac harddrive because he brought the iMac with music software on it and a reload would have meant he had no means of installing the software again. I had to repair the drive then ghost the image to a new SSD which took hours. 

    I'm an Apple repairer, I specialise in Macbooks and iMacs. You need to be careful with iMacs as any machine from 2013 onwards has the LCD bonded in and it's considerably more hassle to change the internal hard drive when (not if) it fails. Now a lot of machines from dealers on Ebay have SSD's fitted to replace the old original drive but it's a job that needs to be done properly and I've seen loads of iMacs that have just had an SSD chucked in without the proper bracket and without the special cable that replaces the original HD's temperature sensor .... meaning the fans constantly on high speed. Dealers also tend to use the cheapest drives like Adata  ..... when you fit an SSD into an iMac it needs to be a decent SSD designed for long service as changing it isn't an easy job. 

    In my experience it's only the harddrive that will generally fail as it's a mechanical device ..assuming the original customer didn't spec an SSD. Some have fusion drives and some have a small capacity pure SSD (128 ish )  and a rotational drive of 650Gb upwards. 

    To replace a 2013 onwards iMac HD see our community repair thread page here :-1: 

    https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/192351/the-community-repair-thread/p8

    The older iMacs before 2013 had a different system where the LCD cover was held on with magnets and when that was released you could unbolt the LCD and access the hard drive but I wouldn't recommend buying a pre 2013 as they will max out on 10:13 
    I would go for a late 2015 or new iMac, that will run the latest version of OSX which should see you fine for a few years at least. I have 5 iMacs in my house, all used for various different things. They are a superb bit of kit in general and one of the nicest machines to use. 
    That is completely awesome advice, thank you for explaining in such detail - really appreciate it 
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  • Agreed, very useful advice from Danny1969.  I recently moved from years of second hand iMacs to a new M1 Mac mini, You can add Logic X as a pre load from Apple so it’s ready to go out of the box. It will cost more initially but will last for years. 
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  • Agreed, very useful advice from Danny1969.  I recently moved from years of second hand iMacs to a new M1 Mac mini, You can add Logic X as a pre load from Apple so it’s ready to go out of the box. It will cost more initially but will last for years. 
    The more I look into it the more I’m thinking a new M1 is the way to go.
    In all the YT vids I’ve seen even the base model beats much higher speced intel Macs hands down  
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  • BodBod Frets: 1286
    I've never owned a Mac, but the M1 Mac Mini has piqued my interest.  The only thing that's stopped me is the additional £200 to go from 8 to 16GB of RAM.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 33725
    I've got a 14" MBP with the new M1Max chip.
    The performance is absolutely ridiculous.
    Single core is faster than a Mac Pro tower.
    Multicore is almost as fast.

    If form factor matters it might be worth waiting until next year to see if they release a mini tower for studio use, or a stonking iMac.
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  • Another +1 for the M1 Mac’s. I have an old Mac Pro 12 core (the pre ‘waste bink model), a 27” 5k iMac and a 14” M1 MacBook Pro, and M1 is ridiculous fast, but as my official work machine it rarely gets used for music stuff. I also have a boxed M1 Mac Mini that I plan on setting up to replace the iMac as my main Logic Pro machine when I eventually get around to it, and I suspect that this will be more than adequate going by the reviews and my experience with the M1’s.
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  • Well I’m sold, M1 Mac mini it is.
    I spent some time debating if I really need 16gb ram and decided actually I don’t - I only play at home for my own pleasure and the native logic plug-ins will be more than enough for me.

    obvs I’ll be using the neural dsp Soldano because awesome 
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 4164
    edited December 2021
    > I spent some time debating if I really need 16gb ram and decided actually I don’t

    I would strongly recommend getting 16gb. macOS itself uses quite a bit of RAM.
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 6378
    Annoying that they've maxxed out the new M1 Mac Mini at 16Gb Ram
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • Right that’s it done!
     I went with the 16gb in the end thinking I can get logic on a 30 day trial and and pay for it next month 
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  • Actually that’s a 90 day trial - bonus 
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  • Right that’s it done!
     I went with the 16gb in the end thinking I can get logic on a 30 day trial and and pay for it next month 
    Congratulations , awesome computers 
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  • Ok so Mac arrived and 90 day logic trial installation complete.
    obvs I didn’t read any instructions or watch any video tutorials because - bloke.

    however so far so good 
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  • icu81b4icu81b4 Frets: 365
    @alanohagan I’m interested in your progress on this. As I’m considering a change from PC to Mac.
    Also, Universal Audio have a free DAW called Luna which I’d want to try out.

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