Jimmie Vaughan Masterclass

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Now this is how you play guitar

guitars4you

I like JV - some good cool stuff - Thanks for posting this - Seen 5 mins now - will watch more shortly

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guitars4you said:

I like JV - some good cool stuff - Thanks for posting this - Seen 5 mins now - will watch more shortly

You're welcome. JV is one of those players that bring me home when I lose my way.

guitars4you

Caffeine_Vampire said:

guitars4you said:

I like JV - some good cool stuff - Thanks for posting this - Seen 5 mins now - will watch more shortly

You're welcome. JV is one of those players that bring me home when I lose my way.

I know you can't compare JV to SRV - I'm a fan of both - But overall I prefer JV - Maybe it is the more 'simple' character of the songs/style - As such I feel I can have a go at playing along with/copying his songs - Maybe as a lot of his work comes from that 50's vibe where jazz/blues/swing/rock n roll all intertwined and I'm a fan of such songs/styles

guitars4you

^^^^^^^^^^^- forgot to add - I much prefer listening to the phrasing/licks of a tenor sax player - Often more melodic than many guitar players

EricTheWeary

I watched a bit, haven't had chance to watch any more. A lot of poor videos of Jimmie online so it's nice to see something a bit better. 
He is a hard sell because there is nothing flash, there are a lot of 12 bars and he hasn't got the strongest voice in the world. However, he has a certain style (as @guitars4you describes above) and of you like that then he absolutely nails it.  

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guitars4you said:

^^^^^^^^^^^- forgot to add - I much prefer listening to the phrasing/licks of a tenor sax player - Often more melodic than many guitar players

This is exactly why JLV is a great player.  His playing breathes.

CaseOfAce

I don't get the fuss ? It's generic clean strat tone using blues pentatonics ? 
It's pleasant and the phrasing is decent ...but there's nothing I hear here that hasn't been done a million times before.?

It's interesting he's using a capo so much in different positions which is kinda novel...

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CaseOfAce said:

I don't get the fuss ? It's generic clean strat tone using blues pentatonics ? 
It's pleasant and the phrasing is decent ...but there's nothing I hear here that hasn't been done a million times before.?

It's interesting he's using a capo so much in different positions which is kinda novel...

I always ask any JLV doubters to post a vid of themselves playing the same licks.  It's deceptively simple and there's a lot of knowledge under those fingers.  If you want JLV's more fiery stuff you need the T-Birds records.

EricTheWeary

CaseOfAce said:

I don't get the fuss ? It's generic clean strat tone using blues pentatonics ? 
It's pleasant and the phrasing is decent ...but there's nothing I hear here that hasn't been done a million times before.?

It's interesting he's using a capo so much in different positions which is kinda novel...

EricTheWeary said:

I watched a bit, haven't had chance to watch any more. A lot of poor videos of Jimmie online so it's nice to see something a bit better. 
He is a hard sell because there is nothing flash, there are a lot of 12 bars and he hasn't got the strongest voice in the world. However, he has a certain style (as @guitars4you describes above) and of you like that then he absolutely nails it.  

I think people don't get it. I'm not even sure I can explain what 'it' is but he has an economy of style and incorporates 1950s rhythm and blues and old Texas blues into something both absolutely faithful to those traditions but without just slavish recreation. And he was an absolute rhythm machine back in the FTs; again they paid homage to those styles but added their own twists.     
Certainly compared to so many 'white cat with a strat' type players ( to quote Bob Margolin) Jimmie is a different kettle of fish. Listen to, say, Joe Bonamssa interpreting an old blues and he plays rock licks, leaves no space, has no sense of the musical conversation.        

Greatape

EricTheWeary said:

CaseOfAce said:

I don't get the fuss ? It's generic clean strat tone using blues pentatonics ? 
It's pleasant and the phrasing is decent ...but there's nothing I hear here that hasn't been done a million times before.?

It's interesting he's using a capo so much in different positions which is kinda novel...

EricTheWeary said:

I watched a bit, haven't had chance to watch any more. A lot of poor videos of Jimmie online so it's nice to see something a bit better. 
He is a hard sell because there is nothing flash, there are a lot of 12 bars and he hasn't got the strongest voice in the world. However, he has a certain style (as @guitars4you describes above) and of you like that then he absolutely nails it.  

I think people don't get it. I'm not even sure I can explain what 'it' is but he has an economy of style and incorporates 1950s rhythm and blues and old Texas blues into something both absolutely faithful to those traditions but without just slavish recreation. And he was an absolute rhythm machine back in the FTs; again they paid homage to those styles but added their own twists.     
Certainly compared to so many 'white cat with a strat' type players ( to quote Bob Margolin) Jimmie is a different kettle of fish. Listen to, say, Joe Bonamssa interpreting an old blues and he plays rock licks, leaves no space, has no sense of the musical conversation.        

Plus nine wiz'es 

Bonamassa is not a blues player; he's his own rock thing.

I'd point people towards Little Charlie Baty (rip), Ronnie Earl, Anson Funderburgh

Devil#20

For a long time I thought Stevie was a better player than Jimmy but as time has gone on I realise just how good Jimmy is. His economy of style and laid back blues is the antithesis of Stevie's all out no-nonsense style of playing. Both great and both different. Must have been a blast growing up together (although they fought like cat and dog apparently).

Greatape

Jimmie navigates changes better than SRV, I think. 

I really liked the 'Strange Pleasure' album.

EricTheWeary

Greatape said:

Jimmie navigates changes better than SRV, I think. 

I really liked the 'Strange Pleasure' album.

I love Strange Pleasure (ooh err missus...) although it sits as the obvious transition album now between the FTs and what became his solo style rather than a new direction in itself. The organ trio plus gospel vocals approach was new to me and having no bass guitar again helps lifts it out of the blues rock idiom. Amazing list of supporting musicians and co-writers..

Greatape said:

EricTheWeary said:

CaseOfAce said:

I don't get the fuss ? It's generic clean strat tone using blues pentatonics ? 
It's pleasant and the phrasing is decent ...but there's nothing I hear here that hasn't been done a million times before.?

It's interesting he's using a capo so much in different positions which is kinda novel...

EricTheWeary said:

I watched a bit, haven't had chance to watch any more. A lot of poor videos of Jimmie online so it's nice to see something a bit better. 
He is a hard sell because there is nothing flash, there are a lot of 12 bars and he hasn't got the strongest voice in the world. However, he has a certain style (as @guitars4you describes above) and of you like that then he absolutely nails it.  

I think people don't get it. I'm not even sure I can explain what 'it' is but he has an economy of style and incorporates 1950s rhythm and blues and old Texas blues into something both absolutely faithful to those traditions but without just slavish recreation. And he was an absolute rhythm machine back in the FTs; again they paid homage to those styles but added their own twists.     
Certainly compared to so many 'white cat with a strat' type players ( to quote Bob Margolin) Jimmie is a different kettle of fish. Listen to, say, Joe Bonamssa interpreting an old blues and he plays rock licks, leaves no space, has no sense of the musical conversation.        

Plus nine wiz'es 

Bonamassa is not a blues player; he's his own rock thing.

I'd point people towards Little Charlie Baty (rip), Ronnie Earl, Anson Funderburgh

 I'd throw in James Hunter as well, not necessarily for the guitar playing and probably not even in the category of Blues but for someone coming from that 50s/ 60s RnB vibe with more of a vocal lead approach. Straight from the deep South of Essex.  

Strat54

I always wonder how many people think it's John Lee Hooker playing guitar on Boom Boom Boom.....when its actually Jimmie Vaughan throughout, with JLH just playing the repeating riff. 

https://youtu.be/5tEDrq_ZiKw

HAL9000

JV is one of my favourite blues guitarists - someone who seems to understand, respect, and pay homage to, the heritage of the genre.

Bellycaster

Well impressed with what I saw there but I'm confused as to the lack of a Bassist. I can here Bass notes. Is the Organ player providing the Bass Notes?

guitars4you

Bellycaster said:

Well impressed with what I saw there but I'm confused as to the lack of a Bassist. I can here Bass notes. Is the Organ player providing the Bass Notes?

yes - Matt Schofield often does likewise - Common in some forms of blues/jazz 

EricTheWeary

guitars4you said:

Bellycaster said:

Well impressed with what I saw there but I'm confused as to the lack of a Bassist. I can here Bass notes. Is the Organ player providing the Bass Notes?

yes - Matt Schofield often does likewise - Common in some forms of blues/jazz 

IIRC Jimmie’s argument is that the attack on the note of a bass guitar is similar to that on the guitar so a non guitar instrument playing the bass lines is less in the way (something like that). 

Certainly the Strange Pleasure album had a distinct sound with the organ trio plus vocals approach.