Car falls from 3rd floor killing the occupants

Brio

This raises so many questions.
I just don't know where to begin. Showroom? Test track?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61919581

Danny1969

Well normally it would be odd but then there's at least one train passes through a block of flats in China on the 7th floor or so ..... when room is tight you make the most of your height I guess

Kittyfrisk

As the article says "The third storey area from where the car fell has been variously described as a showroom, a testing facility or a car park."
As they are electric vehicles & ventilation isn't an issue, it could be any of the above.
I think the apparent lack of structural resilience of the building is more of a problem.

Sassafras

Our communal stairway is too narrow to get a car up there.

Stratavarious

The wall pillar it drove through did not look reinforced with steel.  

mrkb

Stratavarious said:

The wall pillar it drove through did not look reinforced with steel.  

Most modern buildings don’t have a structural skin- the loads are taken by the steel inner structure.

Kittyfrisk

mrkb said:

Stratavarious said:

The wall pillar it drove through did not look reinforced with steel.  

Most modern buildings don’t have a structural skin- the loads are taken by the steel inner structure.

I agree.
 My point was about the use of the space, the likelihood of an accident happening & the mitigation that had been put in place (or not as in this case).
A basic risk assessment done by a 9 year old with no experience of doing RA's would have shown that such an incident was  likely to occur & that the consequences would be serious.

skunkwerx

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Tannin

Kittyfrisk said:

 My point was about the use of the space, the likelihood of an accident happening & the mitigation that had been put in place (or not as in this case).
A basic risk assessment done by a 9 year old with no experience of doing RA's would have shown that such an incident was  likely to occur & that the consequences would be serious.

Risk assessment? This is f**ing China, a place where risk assessment takes place the day after the disaster. (If at all.) This is one of the reasons why Chinese-made goods are so cheap - they don't "waste" money on "non-essentials".

bertie

Kittyfrisk said:

A basic risk assessment done by a 9 year old with no experience of doing RA's would have shown that such an incident was  likely to occur & that the consequences would be serious.

this is China,  so probably done by an 8 year old

ICBM

skunkwerx said:

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Maybe they know, but aren't saying. They appear to have known that the recent China Eastern Airlines crash was probably caused by pilot suicide almost from the beginning, but the official investigation hasn't said so yet.

Reverend

That photo shows a hole in the second floor.

bertie

Reverend said:

That photo shoes a hole in the second floor.

fuck that's a tall car

roberty

skunkwerx said:

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Technically caused by gravity

Kittyfrisk

Tannin said:

Kittyfrisk said:

 My point was about the use of the space, the likelihood of an accident happening & the mitigation that had been put in place (or not as in this case).
A basic risk assessment done by a 9 year old with no experience of doing RA's would have shown that such an incident was  likely to occur & that the consequences would be serious.

Risk assessment? This is f**ing China, a place where risk assessment takes place the day after the disaster. (If at all.) This is one of the reasons why Chinese-made goods are so cheap - they don't "waste" money on "non-essentials".

In this case it seems possible that both of our points are true at the same time 

mrkb

roberty said:

skunkwerx said:

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Technically caused by gravity

Well technically it was caused by the rapid deceleration when hitting the ground……

mrkb

ICBM said:

skunkwerx said:

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Maybe they know, but aren't saying. They appear to have known that the recent China Eastern Airlines crash was probably caused by pilot suicide almost from the beginning, but the official investigation hasn't said so yet.

They probably mean driver error rather than (hopefully not) auto pilot or vehicle malfunction.

not sure how an autopilot would react if engaged inside a building, not sure if it sees the photocopier as a hazard..

darthed1981

Kittyfrisk said:

Tannin said:

Kittyfrisk said:

 My point was about the use of the space, the likelihood of an accident happening & the mitigation that had been put in place (or not as in this case).
A basic risk assessment done by a 9 year old with no experience of doing RA's would have shown that such an incident was  likely to occur & that the consequences would be serious.

Risk assessment? This is f**ing China, a place where risk assessment takes place the day after the disaster. (If at all.) This is one of the reasons why Chinese-made goods are so cheap - they don't "waste" money on "non-essentials".

In this case it seems possible that both of our points are true at the same time 

It's also perfectly possible it HAD been risk assessed, risk mitigation equipment and processes were in place and an individual ignored them, or something failed.

China is much more professional and capable than we give them credit for.

Try getting a British small business to be compliant... at our place it results in a lot of anger and eye-rolling.

cj73

mrkb said:

ICBM said:

skunkwerx said:

‘Not caused by the vehicle’… 

What a bunch of arseholes. How can they say that at this stage. 

Maybe they know, but aren't saying. They appear to have known that the recent China Eastern Airlines crash was probably caused by pilot suicide almost from the beginning, but the official investigation hasn't said so yet.

They probably mean driver error rather than (hopefully not) auto pilot or vehicle malfunction.

not sure how an autopilot would react if engaged inside a building, not sure if it sees the photocopier as a hazard..

Or would know it wasn't on the ground floor

Kittyfrisk

@darthed1981 ;

It's also perfectly possible it HAD been risk assessed, risk mitigation equipment and processes were in place and an individual ignored them, or something failed.

China is much more professional and capable than we give them credit for.

Try getting a British small business to be compliant... at our place it results in a lot of anger and eye-rolling.

If a RA had been carried out then it should have taken both these reasonably foreseeable possibilities into account & factored it into the solution to be implemented.
However, as you mention, in the real world, H&S compliance & having adequate controls,checks & balances can often end up as the exceptions. Comprehensive solutions mean spending money, never a thing that most businesses like to do.
Until after something has gone badly wrong, when everyone is a H&S expert with 20/20 hindsight...

RaymondLin

Reverend said:

That photo shows a hole in the second floor.

1st floor is ground floor in many parts of the world.  I guess the news just uses local floor numbering.