The F1 thread

Simonh

Button only has a single WDC.

Seems to me like Marko is trying to avoid pissing Masi off any more than he already has in the event of any more potential incidents, typical no-apology apology!

Haych

Simonh said:

Button only has a single WDC.

My bad, you're right.  The multiple part went out my head as I was thinking.  Can't retain too much information these days.

stickyfiddle

dazzajl said:

Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen were all in the hard but fair category. Unless I’ve forgotten some poor moves and assuming you believe Alonso didn’t know anything about ‘that crash’. 

Yeah, Alonso always kept his bullshit to the off-track politics - that's actually half the reason he doesn't have more titles, because it made RB and Merc not want him. 

TimmyO

stickyfiddle said:

dazzajl said:

Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen were all in the hard but fair category. Unless I’ve forgotten some poor moves and assuming you believe Alonso didn’t know anything about ‘that crash’. 

Yeah, Alonso always kept his bullshit to the off-track politics - that's actually half the reason he doesn't have more titles, because it made RB and Merc not want him. 

Alonso goes on the "nope" pile for me - things like when he stayed stationary in the pit slot at the end of qualifying so that Lewis would not make it out to do a final run, but he would (drawing a fine for the team and a penalty for himself) tell you who he is. 

TimmyO

stickyfiddle said:

Mansell? I was only around and aware enough for his 1992 season but he always seemed pretty clean. Not actually multiple. 

Hakkinen was always good - certainly compared to Schumi

I'd forgotten Hakkinen had 2 (just had to look it up) - yep he'd be on my "good guy" pile 

dazzajl

TimmyO said:

stickyfiddle said:

dazzajl said:

Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen were all in the hard but fair category. Unless I’ve forgotten some poor moves and assuming you believe Alonso didn’t know anything about ‘that crash’. 

Yeah, Alonso always kept his bullshit to the off-track politics - that's actually half the reason he doesn't have more titles, because it made RB and Merc not want him. 

Alonso goes on the "nope" pile for me - things like when he stayed stationary in the pit slot at the end of qualifying so that Lewis would not make it out to do a final run, but he would (drawing a fine for the team and a penalty for himself) tell you who he is. 

So are we left with the conclusion that the only truly honourable drivers in the modern era are the Finns?

TimmyO

dazzajl said:

TimmyO said:

stickyfiddle said:

dazzajl said:

Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen were all in the hard but fair category. Unless I’ve forgotten some poor moves and assuming you believe Alonso didn’t know anything about ‘that crash’. 

Yeah, Alonso always kept his bullshit to the off-track politics - that's actually half the reason he doesn't have more titles, because it made RB and Merc not want him. 

Alonso goes on the "nope" pile for me - things like when he stayed stationary in the pit slot at the end of qualifying so that Lewis would not make it out to do a final run, but he would (drawing a fine for the team and a penalty for himself) tell you who he is. 

So are we left with the conclusion that the only truly honourable drivers in the modern era are the Finns?

Interesting isn't it that we've not commented on Hamilton yet? 

Where does he go? 

Simonh

Depends on if you ask a red bull/max fan or not I suspect...

stickyfiddle

TimmyO said:

So are we left with the conclusion that the only truly honourable drivers in the modern era are the Finns?

Interesting isn't it that we've not commented on Hamilton yet? 

Where does he go? 

Generally very clean, but happy to push as hard as the other guy when absolutely necessary (i.e Rosberg, Max)

TimmyO

Simonh said:

Depends on if you ask a red bull/max fan or not I suspect...

I'm asking anyone who cares to comment

dazzajl

TimmyO said:

dazzajl said:

TimmyO said:

stickyfiddle said:

dazzajl said:

Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen were all in the hard but fair category. Unless I’ve forgotten some poor moves and assuming you believe Alonso didn’t know anything about ‘that crash’. 

Yeah, Alonso always kept his bullshit to the off-track politics - that's actually half the reason he doesn't have more titles, because it made RB and Merc not want him. 

Alonso goes on the "nope" pile for me - things like when he stayed stationary in the pit slot at the end of qualifying so that Lewis would not make it out to do a final run, but he would (drawing a fine for the team and a penalty for himself) tell you who he is. 

So are we left with the conclusion that the only truly honourable drivers in the modern era are the Finns?

Interesting isn't it that we've not commented on Hamilton yet? 

Where does he go? 

He’s certainly been a very whiny game player out of the car. I’m not actually that sure about in it. I’ve warmed to him a bit in the last year or so and always admired him but really not been a fan so my view on him might be a bit slanted.  

Dodge

TimmyO said:

Alonso goes on the "nope" pile for me - things like when he stayed stationary in the pit slot at the end of qualifying so that Lewis would not make it out to do a final run, but he would (drawing a fine for the team and a penalty for himself) tell you who he is. 

Agreed.   I like Alonso's driving, and in more recent times his sense of humour but he thinks he's more important in F1 than he actually is IMHO.

Marc Priestley's book goes into some detail about the whole Spygate thing at McLaren with Alonso making threats to Ron Dennis.  To be fair though, Hamilton doesn't come out of that very well either.

The 'GP2 engine' complaints during his second McLaren spell did him no favours either.

chillidoggy

Looking back, Schumacher’s record simply states the victories, as do all of them. It doesn’t “Oh, and by the way if he hadn’t punted so and so off the track he wouldn’t have got the title”. So, to me it’s a pointless (no pun intended) discussion.

Boromedic

I'd stick Lewis in the fair pile, he's tried a few things that are gamesmanship I would say, but they fit the era he races in. I would hazard a guess that he saw things go against him with Rosberg and Alonso that his response or actions were justified by. I would argue to that he feels that way with the Max stuff as well. 

Hakkinen was a gent compared to Michael and the only bloke Michael genuinely didn't like racing against. 

rlw

I'd put Prost in the fair pile too.  And Lauda.

Boromedic

rlw said:

I'd put Prost in the fair pile too.  And Lauda.

Agreed, although I was never a fan of Alain, he was generally fair. I suppose having a favourable FISA president when he was driving meant he didn't need to play dirty

stickyfiddle

Ironically despite his Senna fandom, Lewis drives far more like Prost than Ayrton. He didn't in the earlier years but like most elder statesmen has learned that maximising points every time if the way to win titles. 

Dodge

Boromedic said:

Hakkinen was a gent compared to Michael and the only bloke Michael genuinely didn't like racing against. 

I'll never get bored of watching this.  Massive balls doing the double pass on the wet line after being blocked (unfairly IMHO) by Schuey.

stickyfiddle

One of the best overtakes in history. Just so calm and completely brilliant. He was only just 33 when he retired. I'd have loved to see him go on longer, though I guess Newey never quite made another McLaren that was reliable enough to properly challenge

rlw

Boromedic said:

rlw said:

I'd put Prost in the fair pile too.  And Lauda.

Agreed, although I was never a fan of Alain, he was generally fair. I suppose having a favourable FISA president when he was driving meant he didn't need to play dirty

Well, that and being quite a good driver too ....