The F1 thread

Cols

NickL said:

Cols said:

TimmyO said:

Here’s one I’d be interested in folks views on:

Who are the multiple-world-champions who you CAN’T point to multiple instances of things that suggest they lack (or at that time lacked) integrity. 

Obviously Senna, Prost, Schumacher are out. Hell, even good-guy-Seb is out. 

Who else is out?

Who does it leave? 

Multiple WCs with integrity; Hakkinen, Lauda, Fittipaldi, Hill, Clark, Fangio.

Hamilton and Alonso are clean in wheel to wheel combat, but blotted their copybooks in other ways; screwing teammates over (including each other, but Hamilton was particularly fond of forcing Rosberg off track), playing the victim game, and so forth.  I’m sure Alonso knew about the plan for Piquet Jr to stuff it in the wall at Singapore as well.

Given his influential campaigning for driver safety when it wasn't popular, you can probably add Jackie Stewart to the 'integrity' list.

Not aware of Jack Brabham having any particular reputation for dodgy tactics either, and he effectively handed the '67 title to his team mate Hulme because as team owner he tested less reliable new parts on his own car first.

How could I forget Sir Jackie!  Of course, he probably deserves to be at the top of the list.

I’m less sure about Brabham.  He had a reputation in defence for “making his car as wide as it needed to be”, and was known for deliberately running over trackside gravel so stones would kick up into rival drivers’ faces.  Pretty tame stuff by today’s standards, but enough to give me pause.

Dontgiveupyourdayjob

GoldenEraGuitars said:

Fair play C4, that couldn’t have been cheap.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59588805

Ah that's great news! Will save me a tenner instead of having to buy a Now TV Day Pass

GoldenEraGuitars

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

Fair play C4, that couldn’t have been cheap.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59588805

Ah that's great news! Will save me a tenner instead of having to buy a Now TV Day Pass

Tbh, after thinking about it, I doubt I’ll watch it. I remember the last time I was able to watch a race.. I got bored after lap 10. I’ve become accustomed to 7-8 mins of YouTube highlights which is enough to keep my interest. 

Imo, max won’t let Lewis away cleanly. And I don’t want to watch another shit show which involves MV taking the title because the FIA don’t want to penalise him properly. He isn’t a bad driver, but he’s bloody dangerous and arrogant. You can be arrogant without being a dangerous twat… max isn’t there yet. 

danishbacon

Masi speaks out. Points to be deducted if Sunday delivers shenanigans. 

https://the-race.com/formula-1/fia-issues-points-deduction-warning-ahead-of-f1-title-decider/

TimmyO

danishbacon said:

Masi speaks out. Points to be deducted if Sunday delivers shenanigans. 

https://the-race.com/formula-1/fia-issues-points-deduction-warning-ahead-of-f1-title-decider/

An indication of what the sport's regulators think about Max's integrity 

dazzajl

I cannot wait to see Karen Spice bleating on about how good it is that the FIA have warned Hamilton about his conduct this weekend

fretmeister

If I understand this right - Jos once left Max at a track when he didn't win a race?

Video - click through.

https://twitter.com/fangirlingf1/status/1467235622960209925

danishbacon

fretmeister said:

If I understand this right - Jos once left Max at a track when he didn't win a race?

Video - click through.

https://twitter.com/fangirlingf1/status/1467235622960209925

I didn't know this

stickyfiddle

Yeah, Jos is a POS - how many other drivers have a “controversy” section in their Wikipedia pages listing 4 separate incidents…?

Max thinks he gets treated different to the rest of the field. No shit! He’s so well to have a chill pill and spend a year racing without his dad trackside 

stickyfiddle

I see Masi has highlighted that they have the power to dock points for intentional unsafe driving this weekend. Finally getting his elbows out!!  

skullfunkerry

danishbacon said:

fretmeister said:

If I understand this right - Jos once left Max at a track when he didn't win a race?

Video - click through.

https://twitter.com/fangirlingf1/status/1467235622960209925

I didn't know this

Neither did I. Not very nice... interesting that Max's take is "I didn't like it at the time but in hindsight he did the right thing". I wonder if that's really how he feels.

fretmeister

skullfunkerry said:

danishbacon said:

fretmeister said:

If I understand this right - Jos once left Max at a track when he didn't win a race?

Video - click through.

https://twitter.com/fangirlingf1/status/1467235622960209925

I didn't know this

Neither did I. Not very nice... interesting that Max's take is "I didn't like it at the time but in hindsight he did the right thing". I wonder if that's really how he feels.

Stockholm Syndrome? Wouldn't be the first time a victim has defended or minimised what happened to them.

I wonder how young Max was when it happened - well considering he was 17 when he joined F1 he was still a child it was obviously before that so it's appalling behaviour by dad no matter what.

stickyfiddle

Yeah, sounds like Max may be conflating “i learned an important lesson” with “that was acceptable behaviour to make a necessary point”

I genuinely would like him to step away from RB and Jos because hes so obviously a fantastic driver but needs to chill out and that’s going to need a no-bullshit Lauda type figure to put him in his place and show him that he can win more by chilling the fuck out.

Otherwise he can retire and sod off and let us watch Leclerc, Sainz, Gasly, Norris & Russell have a proper scrap over the next few years

Cols

That explains a lot about the swift scoop into the Red Bull Young Driver programme.  I bet Jos and Helmut get on famously.

roundthebend

stickyfiddle said:

Yeah, sounds like Max may be conflating “i learned an important lesson” with “that was acceptable behaviour to make a necessary point”

I genuinely would like him to step away from RB and Jos because hes so obviously a fantastic driver but needs to chill out and that’s going to need a no-bullshit Lauda type figure to put him in his place and show him that he can win more by chilling the fuck out.

Otherwise he can retire and sod off and let us watch Leclerc, Sainz, Gasly, Norris & Russell have a proper scrap over the next few years

OMG you're so right, there's a great selection of exciting drivers in F1 right now who aren't idiots. I liked Max at first when I got into F1 last year but I've quickly gone off him. If Ferrari and McLaren can get close to Mercedes and Red Bull next year it would be an insane spectacle.

chillidoggy

Max is precisely what Liberty Media needs.

Dontgiveupyourdayjob

First blood to Max in FP1. Two tenths up on the next fastest...

Fretwired

Love the message on the side of Kimi's car.

Dear Kimi, We will leave you alone now.

:-)

goldtop

Onboard Saudi LH-MV footage of that incident, but new from the 360-degree cameras.

https://streamable.com/mla8b8

MV knew exactly what he was doing, you can see him constantly watching LH in his mirrors and then the brake light once LH was close enough. 

boogieman

goldtop said:

Onboard Saudi LH-MV footage of that incident, but new from the 360-degree cameras.

https://streamable.com/mla8b8

MV knew exactly what he was doing, you can see him constantly watching LH in his mirrors and then the brake light once LH was close enough. 

Yup, looks deliberate to me too. It’s even more obvious from that view that he moves to the right first to invite Lewis to overtake on the left,  then twitches about and squeezes the gap. I liked Max at first but he’s becoming more and more of an arsehole this season.