The F1 thread

euan

Now, if Horner has been asked to resign it must be serious. Also, Horner is one of the reasons why Newey has stayed at Red Bull. Also, Newey has said he regrets never working for Ferrari or Hamilton...

sweepy

Makes you wonder if Hamilton was tipped off about Newey and vice versa, could be intriguing 

euan

There was a rumour that Newey isn't working on this years car at all and he is spending the time working on the RB17.

Not that he is actually a RBR employee and probably not subject to the usual gardening leave...

Nitefly

According to the beeb:  "an allegation of inappropriate behaviour of a controlling nature"

Boromedic

euan said:

Now, if Horner has been asked to resign it must be serious. Also, Horner is one of the reasons why Newey has stayed at Red Bull. Also, Newey has said he regrets never working for Ferrari or Hamilton...

Has he been asked to resign? Can't see that on anything I've read, that would make it interesting though.

euan

It’s been reported in some of the European motorsport press

Cols

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/258908/horner-advised-to-step-down-by-red-bull.html

Just a rumour.

The counter-rumour is that it’s an internal power play at Red Bull, with the goal of ousting Horner and installing a team principal who’s a bit more… Austrian.

stickyfiddle

Cols said:

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/258908/horner-advised-to-step-down-by-red-bull.html

Just a rumour.

The counter-rumour is that it’s an internal power play at Red Bull, with the goal of ousting Horner and installing a team principal who’s a bit more… Austrian.

Tost? 

Surely they don’t mean Toto the actual owner of Mercedes AMG F1..?! 

Cols

stickyfiddle said:

Cols said:

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/258908/horner-advised-to-step-down-by-red-bull.html

Just a rumour.

The counter-rumour is that it’s an internal power play at Red Bull, with the goal of ousting Horner and installing a team principal who’s a bit more… Austrian.

Tost? 

Surely they don’t mean Toto the actual owner of Mercedes AMG F1..?! 

Well, Sweary Guenter’s looking for a job and he’s from South Tyrol…

stickyfiddle

Can you imagine the headlines if Horner goes and Newey fucks off to Ferrari..:?? 

fretmeister

stickyfiddle said:

Can you imagine the headlines if Horner goes and Newey fucks off the Ferrari..:?? 

1: The Max fan boys will call it the biggest conspiracy since Watergate (not that any of them are smart enough to know what Watergate was).

2: It would be hilarious.

Lebarque

Dontgiveupyourdayjob

Internal RB hearing into the Horner allegations planned for Friday...
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

euan

That article is mixing up Red Bull and Red Bull Racing. It’s Red Bull who are investigating. 

fretmeister

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

Internal RB hearing into the Horner allegations planned for Friday...
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

That seems remarkably fast to me.

I wonder when the allegations were first made, and when the independent lawyers were instructed.

Certainly wasn't this week if the hearing is on Friday.

Cols

fretmeister said:

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

Internal RB hearing into the Horner allegations planned for Friday...
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

That seems remarkably fast to me.

I wonder when the allegations were first made, and when the independent lawyers were instructed.

Certainly wasn't this week if the hearing is on Friday.

That does seem to be very quick.  Possible explanations are:

1.  This has been known about and investigated for some time, and the news is only now being made public.  Apparently the Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' had been threatened with legal action if it published the allegations.

2.  The evidence is so overwhelming one way or another that the hearing is a mere formality.

3.  Red Bull are launching their car next week and want this out of the way.

fretmeister

Cols said:

fretmeister said:

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

Internal RB hearing into the Horner allegations planned for Friday...
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

That seems remarkably fast to me.

I wonder when the allegations were first made, and when the independent lawyers were instructed.

Certainly wasn't this week if the hearing is on Friday.

That does seem to be very quick.  Possible explanations are:

1.  This has been known about and investigated for some time, and the news is only now being made public.  Apparently the Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' had been threatened with legal action if it published the allegations.

2.  The evidence is so overwhelming one way or another that the hearing is a mere formality.

3.  Red Bull are launching their car next week and want this out of the way.

1 and 2 are logical.

3 doesn't really work unless it is in conjunction with the other two. As a standalone it doesn't work as that doesn't give enough time for a proper investigation if it started this week.

TimmyO

Have we made the “helmet reveal” joke yet? 

Cols

fretmeister said:

Cols said:

fretmeister said:

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

Internal RB hearing into the Horner allegations planned for Friday...
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68218956

That seems remarkably fast to me.

I wonder when the allegations were first made, and when the independent lawyers were instructed.

Certainly wasn't this week if the hearing is on Friday.

That does seem to be very quick.  Possible explanations are:

1.  This has been known about and investigated for some time, and the news is only now being made public.  Apparently the Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' had been threatened with legal action if it published the allegations.

2.  The evidence is so overwhelming one way or another that the hearing is a mere formality.

3.  Red Bull are launching their car next week and want this out of the way.

1 and 2 are logical.

3 doesn't really work unless it is in conjunction with the other two. As a standalone it doesn't work as that doesn't give enough time for a proper investigation if it started this week.

Probably a mixture of all three.  

I’d be surprised if Red Bull would leave themselves open to an accusation by the aggrieved party that they did a token investigation.  

And if they want to oust Horner, they’ll want to have a damning and watertight case to avoid a charge of wrongful dismissal.

But for a highlight event for the sponsors like a new car launch, they certainly won’t want the big media attention being on accusations against the team principal of improper behaviour.

Emiel

I for one am not surprised that it's tabloid newspapers breaking the news (the Dutch Telegraaf is of the same shocking quality as the Daily Mail). Reminds me of the Toto/Susie saga although a court hearing (and so soon) might say otherwise in Horners case. We'll see. F1 is never dull is it!

Ps: Max fanboys generally speaking know nothing of F1 and history, they are just there to watch their idol win and don't care about the rest. I am Dutch and know many 'fans' that turn off their television/stream if he has crashed or when it's clear he is not going to win. They are basically football/darts fans that only started watching after he won his first race in Barcelona 2016 and will properly stop watching the sport after he retires. What doesn't help is that the Dutch broadcasters have embraced the 'fans' and threat F1 races like a tabloid would with lots of speculation and accusations going on to spice things further up. It's disgusting.