Suno ai

Barney

What does everyone think about suno ai ...I sort of think it's a good thing because it can help in writing music and ideas ..much in the same way drum machines..samples ..and digital recording ect ....but on the other hand dosnt feel quite right ...I put some old ideas of mine in, about 20 years old and there was definitely a big improvement, a bit like getting pro level players and producers to do it 

On the other hand it feels sort of wrong ,but whatever, it is here to stay and my opinion is either use it or fall behind ....

What's everyone else's opinions ...

Sporky

Well, it's not like we're short of water or power, so more AI is definitely a good thing. Bring on the climate apocalypse so we can be lazy and uncreative.

And dead. 

Supportact

I had to listen to some recently as part of my job. Like a lot if AI stuff it's impressive at first glance but if you listen to a few of them they actually are pretty shit. 

Personally I don't like to use AI in place of a human creative. For other uses such as sifting huge amounts of research data for example I can see it has value. 

stickyfiddle

Google just offered me an option to “make music” with Gemini. I ignored it. 

I just don’t see the point. Half the beauty of art is that it’s made by a person making a million micro decisions to try to make you feel something. 

thecolourbox

As predicted and described in perfect detail in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World

The synthetic music machines - creating conformative artificial music to keep everybody artificially happy and distracted, and to stifle any feelings or emotion

rze99

A former band member is using it. he’s been putting our old tracks in it - just pissing about
The results are stunning. Really amazing and fun and rather interesting at times.  But.

id rather write my own songs in my own way 

Barney

rze99 said:

A former band member is using it. he’s been putting our old tracks in it - just pissing about
The results are stunning. Really amazing and fun and rather interesting at times.  But.

id rather write my own songs in my own way 

Yeah that's basically what iv been doing ...I think the studio option gives you the opportunity to write your own songs track by track ...so instead saying to maybe keyboard player...fit something to this idea ..AI will do it and give different versions .....I think that's the way it works ..

rze99

Ok Barney said:

rze99 said:

A former band member is using it. he’s been putting our old tracks in it - just pissing about
The results are stunning. Really amazing and fun and rather interesting at times.  But.

id rather write my own songs in my own way 

Yeah that's basically what iv been doing ...I think the studio option gives you the opportunity to write your own songs track by track ...so instead saying to maybe keyboard player...fit something to this idea ..AI will do it and give different versions .....I think that's the way it works ..

At the moment I’m too time strapped to explore it but I’m interested… especially via the results my ex bandmate are excellent… keeping in mind he’s a top player so fundamentally understands all the mechanics. One of the tracks he reworked as a country track and I was gobsmacked to hear my guitar riffs reworked.

Barney

rze99 said:

Ok Barney said:

rze99 said:

A former band member is using it. he’s been putting our old tracks in it - just pissing about
The results are stunning. Really amazing and fun and rather interesting at times.  But.

id rather write my own songs in my own way 

Yeah that's basically what iv been doing ...I think the studio option gives you the opportunity to write your own songs track by track ...so instead saying to maybe keyboard player...fit something to this idea ..AI will do it and give different versions .....I think that's the way it works ..

At the moment I’m too time strapped to explore it but I’m interested… especially via the results my ex bandmate are excellent… keeping in mind he’s a top player so fundamentally understands all the mechanics. One of the tracks he reworked as a country track and I was gobsmacked to hear my guitar riffs reworked.

I'm sorting of thinking about using it to replace what I haven't got access to ...like keys...drums...and maybe sax when needed...but will be definitely better putting all bass and guitars in myself ...so more as a tool rather than write a few words in and it comes out with a song ...but from what I hear ...many are doing this and selling them on Spotify!!

joeW

If musicians themselves are happy to replace human input for generated alternatives, I fear the future is not too rosy.   Keeping a kernel of human innovation at the centre is very easily replaced down the line.  That said I drive a car knowing the outcome, tho it is arguably less avoidable.  

rze99

joeW said:

If musicians themselves are happy to replace human input for generated alternatives, I fear the future is not too rosy.   Keeping a kernel of human innovation at the centre is very easily replaced down the line.  That said I drive a car knowing the outcome, tho it is arguably less avoidable.  

If you think this is the less rosy end of the future, then I admire your optimism!

Pap music was already dominating. Automating most of it is just a shortcut.

If people want to mass produced garbage let them 'ave it. I do something human simply for me, not for anyone else.

Cig35

I'm not going to use Suno for anything personally, but if you want to use it, make sure you read the terms of service and understand them before you start using the platform. A few examples of important things as I understand them:

- On the free plan everything you create is owned by Suno. (I think you may not even be allowed to share the output on any other platform) 

- On the paid plans you own what is being created and you may share it and monetize it

- Everything you upload to and/or create using Suno is sublicensed to Suno royalty-free for whatever they want to do with it

- Depending on country it may be impossible to copyright the outcome depending on local legislation and the mix of how much your input was compared to the AI part. 

blobb

thecolourbox said:

As predicted and described in perfect detail in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World

The synthetic music machines - creating conformative artificial music to keep everybody artificially happy and distracted, and to stifle any feelings or emotion

Jive bunny says: Hold my beer, H-h-h-h old my beer everybody. 

steamabacus

Adam Neely had quite a lot to say about Suno. I would highly recommend finding an hour and a half to sit down and properly watch this. It actually gets quite dark and serious by the end.

digitalscream

There's already too much music, to the point where its value has essentially been reduced to zero, both monetarily and in terms of its meaning to people.

Accelerating the process of making it by removing humans from that process seems somewhat self-defeating when the majority of the remaining value in the music industry is in allowing musicians to enjoy their craft.

Hoof

Using AI to speed up/ease the production or as a practice tool seems fine. A friend who's studio we use for demos has some drum gating software which really helps with drum recording but purely in terms of separation and fidelity.

Using as part of your creative process and having the AI parts on your finished product to me defeats the whole point of being an artist for me. I know of some metal bands who now actually use AI to write their riffs in a "write me a sick metalcore breakdown in drop A" way. 

While I don't approve of gatekeeping I have to draw the line at musicians who can't even write their own parts. Not to be elitist but I do genuinely think there has to be a creative human at the core of a piece of art, otherwise what's the point?

It holds no interest for me, as a fan, nor respect as a peer. 

victorludorum

Cig35 said:

I'm not going to use Suno for anything personally, but if you want to use it, make sure you read the terms of service and understand them before you start using the platform. A few examples of important things as I understand them:

- On the free plan everything you create is owned by Suno. (I think you may not even be allowed to share the output on any other platform) 

- On the paid plans you own what is being created and you may share it and monetize it

- Everything you upload to and/or create using Suno is sublicensed to Suno royalty-free for whatever they want to do with it

- Depending on country it may be impossible to copyright the outcome depending on local legislation and the mix of how much your input was compared to the AI part. 

I'm convinced that pretty much anything you put online now goes into the mincer.

Littlejonny

I’ve played around with Suno Studio - I really tried to prompt it do stuff which I consider cool and original, but everything came out cheesy.

whats interesting is that the individual instrumental parts it creates are kind of weird and mangled on their own but sound convincing in the mix.

kind of taught me something about mixing in a way, in that you really can have shit sounding elements in a convincing sounding whole. 

I didn’t like the way the ‘vocals’ always do American accents. 

But yeah, it removes the process, which is the fun bit. and for many people music is an expression of a real human artist not just a sound born in a void. 

It will hopefully help us place more value on the human characteristics of music - the imperfect, the unpredictable.

thecolourbox

I can't remember the exact quote nor who said it first, but i read something like this before and it felt apt: AI art inadvertently shows us the importance of soul, by having none itself

Evo

A.I. as a whole is a really interesting topic to me.

Firstly, I don't see any point in debating "Should we be using A.I?" because it makes zero difference what anyone thinks on that matter. The cat is out of the bag now and there's no putting it back in, A.I. is now out there and it's being used whether people like it or not. There's open source options, it's too far out there now for it to be reigned back in so it's absolutely not going to go away.

What I see a lot of are professionals in areas like music, writing, graphics, editing, and creative positions getting scared, and quite rightly so in my opinion. A.I. has made things which usually require years of specialist training and knowledge accessible to virtually anyone, which means people no longer have to pay an expert to achieve the results they want. These people are scared that their jobs aren't safe, and quite honestly more people should be worried about this because whilst people can look at A.I. now and say "yeah, but I can still tell it's A.I." it's only going to improve from here, and if you compare A.I generated content from 5 years ago with content being produced on the latest models you'll see the kind of progression we're dealing with.

So what do we do?

Nothing.

There's nothing we can do, as I said earlier, the cat is already out of the bag and the horse has bolted. 

What we need to accept is that everything is now much more accessible to anyone, because that's what A.I. is really. A.I. is not accomplishing anything which was unable to be done before (yet), it's just putting these things within the reach of anyone that wants it.

My singular hope for A.I. is that the world realises the impact that it's going to have and gets ahead of it rather than playing catch up after it has decimated employment levels across the world. If we waste time trying to legislate and put the cat back in the bag, then picture what napster did to the music industry applied to EVERY industry at the same time. 

Don't argue over whether it should be used or not, debate how we can ensure that as A.I. takes over and the job market shrinks to a fraction of it's previous size, people are able to keep roofs over their heads and food on their tables. If we do it right, we could be heading towards a world where the 9 to 5 Monday to Friday is a thing of the past and we all have way more time to spend with our friends, families, and the things that make us happy. 

hollywoodrox

It would feel like cheating