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There's also the side issue of having to explain to those Labour voters who voted Brexit why there should be a second referendum. To go with a pro-Europe election policy might well gain more support in the metropolitan areas but will surely see more people slide away from Labour. On Europe, I really do think that the best Labour policy is to wash their hands of it as it offers far more opportunity for further party division than anything else.
It's easy to stand on the sidelines and say you've got all the answers and you're gonna do it the socialist way, the issue is that compromises have to be made when you get into power that you don't need to when you're the opposition.
No-one gets a blank chequebook, no-one inherits a perfectly working country and no-one lives in isolation.
The guy doesn't have the backing of his Westminster party, which means he can't control the decision making part of his party and if we all know it, he must know that he's got zero chance of being elected into power.
So I'm not sure what his plan is, probably to stand from the sideline saying how much better he'd do it if he was just given the chance.
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Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, the only ways there will be an election before 2020 are:
If there is a vote of confidence in the government and they lose. This will not happen because the Tories have a majority, and even if some Tories voted against their own party and they did lose, then May would then have to resign.
If there is a two-thirds majority for an early election. Despite Corbyn appearing to welcome this, it won't happen because the rest of his party will rightly regard it as suicide and vote against it, the Lib Dems are in no position to fight one now so they will too and the SNP don't want one either.
The result of a general election now would be an increased Tory majority.
The only sensible plan for Labour is to sit tight, try not to let Corbyn make too many more Virgin Trains cockups, and hope that by 2019 either May has made a balls-up of leaving the EU and we are still in - hence becoming drastically unpopular with Leave voters - or Corbyn recognises that he's too old and probably unelectable, and steps down in favour of someone like Benn... or the Labour Party see the way the wind is blowing and make a better job of getting rid of him.
The *best* plan for Labour would be to try to work with Corbyn and produce a credible left-of-centre party with him as more of a figurehead than a real leader, but I can't see that happening with the level of infighting, the lack of enough credible figures in the party and the presence of inner-circle cronies like McDonnell.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
From Guido Fawkes
Today at Labour Conference
9:46am: Corbyn tells Jewish peer who quit Labour over anti-Semitism to “reflect“.
9:56am: Corbyn says he backs war crimes investigations into British troops.
10:00am: Corbyn says he opposes giving more resources to MI6.
10:22am: McDonnell defends calling Esther McVey “a stain on humanity”.
10:40am: Yvette Cooper tells McDonnell to apologise.
11:06am: McDonnell doubles down, says “yes I do” think they were the right words.
11:15pm: Derek Hatton spotted in the conference hall.
11:52am: Ken Livingstone talks about Hitler on the BBC.
1:42am: Delegate rants about “Jewish MPs” and “Jewish plot to oust Corbyn”.
1:50pm: Fringe speaker compares Tory welfare policy to Nazis’ Arbeit Macht Frei.
5:00pm: Momentum host speaker who called for a Jewish man’s throat to be cut.
5:25pm: Anti-war merchandise mocking injured British soldiers on sale.
6:00pm: Jackie Walker says anti-Semitism in Labour is “exaggerated“.
6:30pm: Leaflets circulated: “Jewish Labour Movement does not belong in Labour”.
She would have to jump through many hoops before it could happen. That is something that we can all agree about. Several Westminster Journalists have said the same thing which is - Don't rule it out.
I think she will want to win an Election as PM. I think she will want to serve the full term that follows that win.
I think there are compelling reasons why she might want that to be sooner rather than later.
That is the Elephant in the Room that no Westminster Journalist dares to touch.
Do you think McDonnell has any clue what his words mean? Be interesting to see if there is any detail behind this big woolly assertion.
Is this for real? I know the first few are because I heard about them on the news, but from Derek Hatton onwards it's just horrific.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Some of them are typical Guido-style stretching things via the removal of full context.
1.42am: the 'delegate' isn't named at all. Nobody knows who the fuck he was. The article goes on to say that the delegate asked if Angela Eagle's husband were Jewish. That'd be Angela Eagle, out of the closet lesbian, then. Perhaps the delegate might be best described as a fucking loon rather than representative of some deep Labour chasm of jew hatred.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/25/labour-delegate-rants-against-jews/
1.50pm: it was quite an interesting comparison actually from a disabled woman who has heard the message of how work can set you free.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/actress-liz-carr-stuns-audience-8911590#ICID=sharebar_twitter
That there is a serious anti-semitism problem within Labour is not in question. I'd recommend Adam Bienkov's report of the Momentum meeting from Sunday:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/09/26/expulsions-denial-conspiracy-momentum-discusses-antisemitism
What can not be doubted, at all, is that Corbyn has (intentionally or not) made anti semitisim socially acceptable in a way it has never been in UK society in my adult life. The fact that a Jewish academic was told to "get back in your oven" by a UK Corbynite academic is something I find as repulsive as I do disturbing. I suspect a large proprtion of the electorate agree with me and when Female Labour MPs look to the PM and the state to protect them against abuse that has no place in a civilised society when their own leader wont, Their is a serious problem.
I honestly cannot see how anyone who dissaproves of racisim could possibly vote Labour.
I may be missing the point - I find political squabbling fairly uninteresting - but I'm not sure what these ones have to do with anti-semitism:
That's just over a third of the list.
So there's no moral high ground for the Tories here in my view. You can't rattle the cage over the other side and the Jewish problem whilst simultaneously knighting a guy like Crosby with a history like that. What has been created around the political spectrum is an environment where there is a lack of respect, consideration, and plain humanity. This environment isn't restricted to Corbyn and Momentum. It's there in PMQs and it goes through the system.
The "get back in the oven" comment... are we referring to the Henrietta Foster incident at the Proms? Jones did claim it was a joke: without further evidence as not much appears to have come from it, I can't judge whether it's a full on antisemitic attack. It does pose the question though that I'd set to some like yourself who oppose political correctness: would a gag about the Holocaust be off limits? It's an interesting debate point and one I might think about later after baking some stilton and rosemary shortbread (decent sea salt on top, absolutely delicious).
The gender issue is one that intrigues me. The greatest chorus line against Corbyn from within Labour have featured female voices. Corbyn himself frequently surrounds himself with women (as witnessed on Saturday at the leadership announcement. He had gaggles of 'em around him when his numbers came up). The more one sees of Corbyn, the more similarities to Trump he has.