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Noticed this Original Dallas Rangemaster Treble Booster guitar unit, serial no.158557, including the original warranty registration card - went for £1300 - which equates to £1612 |
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I personally didn't think there were any 'bargains' to be had, most of the stuff sold at around market value.
(formerly miserneil)
If you want to find bargains at auctions, the 1st trick is not to go to a specialist one like that. A guitar auction is not the place to go to find a cheap guitar. A few months ago I saw a JCM800 go very cheap on invaluable.com. It was in a general sale and was the only guitar amp there. Its about finding the stuff that no-one else there is going to be interested in.
Will be interesting to see which guitars turn up with which dealers in the coming months, I've got a pound on who the first one will be ;-)
(formerly miserneil)
I'll happy provide a Boss GE7 with the treble sliders pushed up for half that figure....
you could try out the guitars - got to play a 62 strat and a late 50s LP (not fully original). I still have the catalogue.
As others have said, there weren't any particular bargains I saw, but I don't really know the market value of the vintage stuff. Fairly sure some of the more 'run of the mill' stuff could be had for a similar, if not better, price on here
Nice way to spend a couple of hours though, and watch the dealers in action
http://guitar-auctions.co.uk/portfolio-post/lot-65-1986-paul-reed-smith-prs-electric-guitar-made-in-usa/
Yeah, the vintage pieces...always a bit of a mystery when it comes to the guitar trade and vintage prices....seems like most you see for sale (certainly the high end) are actually on consignment and that the dealers just like to have these prestigious pieces in their shops and ads with little thought or care as to whether or not they will sell. Its what actually puts me off buying one again. If I could spend £15-20k on a nice pretty original old Tele and know that I could sell it on sometime later if need be without a huge loss or having to deal with the UK vintage dealers (yes you know THE ones) then I would take the plunge and head out to this coming Dallas Guitar Show, I've been before. Would just love to have owned an old blackguard....just for a while. I wouldn't mind losing 25% but I can imagine me buying one for £20k and selling it for £10k with the dealer having taken out £8k for the brokerage/fees! Its fair to say that the vintage dealers are a different bunch to those like Mark, don't know what it is...but they are.
I like the ones that list $40k '53 Tele's and put its all original when you can see that the switch tip is a bloody top hat one...come on, do what the others do and spend $20 on a NOS bakelite round one! Yeah amazing how so many of the 5000 made still have that original switch tip, the one thats dished out at the end! Lol
I'd love to do one of the major USA vintage shows - if for no other reason than to browse and take it in - I've only done the Orange County Show in LA around the same time as NAMM - but at such a low exchange rate will be hard to justify buying anything
Slightly going of thread, yet connected - you are right about high end vintage prices regarding the best examples and commission sales - And if you think about it, how many dealers have that level of budget to actually buy 100K Les Paul's, along with the required funds to buy enough 25K-40K Strats and Teles from the 50's to make the showroom look decent - It is a double edged issue in many ways - The customer requires 25K for his 50's Strat - The dealer then has to add his 20% fee + vat on top - that equates to 24% - So all of a sudden that 25K Strat is now £31000 - If it sells then great for all parties, if it doesn't sell, then it is down to the owner of the Strat to decide if he toughs it out and waits for a sale, or reduce his price accordingly - If it doesn't sell the dealer has no funds tied up in such stock, so no financial risks involved - So yes to a degree such commission sales help to glorify the dealers wall and prices are influenced by 'lets suck it and see'
2 great posts chaps. So, given that people are now much more informed about the value of their guitars and can research vintage guitars before a potential purchase to the enth degree, and given the rise of Reverb, eBay or the Vintage & Rare for sale site, do you think we will see the decline of vintage guitar dealers to a point where they are redundant in the future?
(formerly miserneil)
I think we've already seen a decline, for whatever reason, of stores who have 10/20/30/40 or more, genuine vintage guitars in stock in the UK - I'm not saying none, but rarely do you see a choice of 4 or 5 60's Strats now on one wall in the UK - Yet on Reverb I can find 10-20 on view, albeit in various worldwide locations - I dare say some of those on Reverb are dealers some private sellers, but it is a big shop window, maybe the biggest
I think the days have just about already gone were you see a selection of 'vintage guitars' in the average high street UK store, be it a small dealer or the likes of GuitarGuitar/Andertons/Peach etc - With only a few 'specialists' outlets left, be they a store or a 'bedroom' retailer
As a retailer I'm glad I don't rely purely on 'vintage guitars' to earn a living - I'm certainly not a specialists in that market place, but I do get a few tasty pieces throughout the year - But I bat within a comfort zone, both on price and knowledge
https://reverb.com/item/2796686-fender-telecaster-1952
They are still far from those pre 2008 prices, which were pretty ridiculous. Not sure of the future though for vintage guitars, how many of today's young players will want to pay £20k for an old Tele? I would guess for the next 20 or so years they will be okay but beyond that maybe the 80's/90's guitars will be in demand. I always wonder morbidly what the effect of makers like Paul Reed Smith and John Suhr passing will have on the value of their guitars? Nothing lasts forever. ;(
Yes there are still buyers today under 40 or 50 who require vintage guitars, but as an overview, they are in the minority
As for modern builders like PRS, Suhr and Anderson - I dare say there are exceptions within their product range, but in many ways, such guitars are seen as 'functional tools of the trade' - You can say old Strats used to be, but at 10-30K that is less so, certainly compared to a new 2K/3K PRS or C/Shop - As such I think the value of most nice modern guitars will adjust for inflation based on new prices, but not much more - To me an example of this are PRS 513's and Modern Eagle's with Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard and neck - Amongst the finest PRS Guitars ever, yet prices have barely risen in the last 5 years and can still be purchased used for less than the original new price in 2004