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I'd also like to hear a G12H-75 Creamback in a 401 at some point - the CL80 is my favourite of the speakers I've heard in them so far, but it's quite a modern-sounding speaker. From hearing the comparison in another cabinet, the H75 sounds more 'vintage', while still having the big open sound.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Update: Just found this comparison of the Celestion Vintage 30 compared to the Classic Lead 80 - to my ears the V30 sounds fuller, punchier, more open & and the CL80 sounds quite thin & muffled by comparison - is this a fair assessment?
But I think the Creamback G12H-75 would be better for the sounds you've listed.
It's an old model that hasn't been made since the 1970s. There's no modern equivalent, although the G12K-100 might be the closest, from memory of what they sound like.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
How does the G12 75 compare to the V30, CL80 & Creambacks? (I can't seem to find much info on them)
Update: Just found this vid - it's only done with a very aggressive G'nR high gain tone but I can tell that the CL80 is toppier.
I realise the V30 is particularly good in a 'multi-speaker cab' & I'm looking for a good tone with a 1x12, but on everything I've heard so far, the V30 sounds consistently good...I dunno, i'm beginning to lose the will to live. Until I pick one & put a speaker in my 401 there's just no way to know!
Interested to know what you think!
Also it is a hell of a lot louder but that my well be the result of fresh power valves. Very happy indeed. Thanks @ICBM and others for the recommendation!
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
But they do seem to have 1dB inconsistencies on quite a lot of their models at different times - the Greenback as well, that's currently rated at 98dB and has definitely been 97 in the past.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
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It might be that the V30 is 99.64 and the CL80 99.49, or something like that, where the 'rounding' shows a 1dB difference but in reality the difference is negligible & why they have the same volume side by side.
The figures don't quite correspond to reality either - for example the Greenback is listed as 98dB, the G12H-30 as 100dB, and the V30 also as 100dB… but if you put these in a cabinet as pairs, the Greenback and the H30 are about the same perceived volume but the V30 is noticeably louder.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Even Celestion suggests that when mixing speakers in a cab, you're unlikely to perceive any volume imbalance provided you stay within a 3dB range:
http://celestion.com/speakerworld/guitartech/1/38/Speaker_Upgrade:_Sensitivity_Matching/
However there are real differences too - there's no doubt that the Classic Lead simply moves more air than the 'Marshall Gold Back'.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein