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what did you think about the other side of the Stranberg neck?
the sort of hexagonal thing on the back of the neck..
just curious..
if you look at Novax, Blackmachine, Orsmby(the early ones before the hypemachine) or Strandbergs most have the straight fret between the 12th and nut, many fanned frets now seem to be pushing this towards the 12th but there are different approaches even within this forum.
I normally go between 3rd and 9th, but have been pushing that to the 12th recently. My reason is often t get a better layout for a different design decision... I still think between the 3rd to 9th is most ergonomic for most styles. I rarely go above a 2 1/2" difference between the scales over 6 strings. If the 12th is the perp, I keep that to about 2" to prevent a severe angel on the nut and a compromise on first position chords. Moving the perp towards the nut lets me stretch that bass string a bit longer and keep the nut end comfortable. I don't mind the increased angle at the bridge created by doing it this way.
@kempguitars offers something totally different to that in his half fan. The perp is moved all the way down to the bridge and fans out from there. This allows the use of standard hardware and gives all the tension benefits. My assumption is this also limits the amount of difference between the scales you can get away with. a 3" difference in scales would give a very angled nut.
To me it shows how customisable this approach is., but that's not easy for somebody speccing a custom build... best to play a few and see what works, which is easier now they are more common.
Once you are used to them its not really any more difficult than changing between different scale lengths... The more people play, they more they seem to struggle at first. I think there is a point where people become totally dependant on muscle memory and it can trip them up - but it passes quickly and only happens the first time. DON'T LOOK DOWN
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it just never occurred to me..
I know Doug [Black Machine pretty well] and recall him explaining to me the time and effort that went into developing his fan fret design... but it's only now that the penny has dropped with respect to the location of the perp and the size of the scale difference between the 1st and 6th [7th or 8th] strings...
I totally get the 'don't look down' thing...
that became quite clear to me within just a few minutes of playing the Strandberg..
I have to say that I'm finding the idea of a half fan very interesting..
I play in D standard, but really like the tension of Hybrid 9's tuned concert..
to recreate this in D standard I had to create my own set..
essentially a set of power slinky's [11's] with a 40 and 50 for the 5th and 6th strings respectively..
it's a trade off.. I sacrifice a little tone from the thicker wrapped strings to get the feel..
so a half fan could be a really nice solution to allow me to get the tension with slightly lower gauges..
that said.. the thing that is the deal breaker for me is the hard tail..
I need a Floyd Rose or similar.. it's such a huge part of my playing style that I do not want to live without one..
I'm sure I've been guilty before of answering when I think I know something without really making sure I do know but I do try my best not to.
I think if everyone at least tried to question their own expertise before answering, the internet would be a lot more useful place.
Of course, there are people with genuine expertise - several on this forum - and the fact they share that with everyone for free is just amazing and I'm so grateful each time!
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Fanned fret trems can be a bit odd as they still pivot perpendicular to the centre line... the bass strings drop more than the treble. Not an issue on the Kahler though
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so a bridge like the Wilkinson / Vigier type with locking tuners like Steinbergers could hit the spot then on a half fan..
I appreciate that the dive of the longer strings would be deeper.. but the strings don't all dive the same anyhow..
I just imagine the difference could be a little more accentuated..
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http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/2015/06/03/fanned-fret-tremolo-prototype/
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but I'm getting an itch... lol..
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The half fan idea would work with a floyd, but obviously not the locking nut.
Zero fret
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@KempGuitars so we'd be talking about a zero fret and locking tuners then yes?
Zero fret in front of the locking nut. Make sense