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Has the anti-Semitism been tackled?
Are the Gas Chamber sounds still tolerated when Spurs play a particular away fixture?
By "tolerated" I mean: Not abandoning the match when Spurs walk onto the pitch. Before the match has even started.
The old Tottenham ground could be a nightmare .. I stopped going as the violence in the late 70s was getting out of hand.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
I saw someone punch a steward at a 20/20 Bears v Pears game at Edgbaston so it's not confined to football. Booze + Sun doesn't always equal fun.
I've also seen some frankly appalling behaviour from rugby players and fans on many occasions.. Just not much fighting.(except maybe on the pitch).
Having worked at the court that covered the Hawthorns for a few years match day arrests weren’t a big feature of the work ( I’m struggling to remember any really although there must have been).
There is the occasional flare up at football..... but compared to the late seventies and early eighties, it's nothing.
I've taken my kids to football since they were about three or four years old. The worst fan behavior I've ever witnessed was rugby fans on the train to Twickenham for an England game. The Army v Navy game also seems to attract some very "special" people indeed....
I reckon you're more likely to see a tear up at a rock gig than a football match these days.
As for hooligans being unemployed. They wouldn't be seen dead fighting in less that £600 worth of clothing.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
once I got into it, I started losing interest in football really quickly
This is going to be horrible, the press are giving the ultras more reason to get ready and excuses to the police.
Each incident obviously has its own causes but let's not get too far up on our high horses here about those 'terrible' Italians when we're not entirely innocent of hooliganism as a nation ourselves.
Quietly asking some crusty and his girlfriend to turn out their pockets is a very different proposition to rounding up 5,000 chanting, screaming animals for threatening behaviour.
It doesn't mean no offences were committed.
We do need perspective though, I'm far more comfortable at any UK football match these days than I was at Ninian Park in the mid 70s. You can almost certainly avoid trouble now, it followed you around more in those days.
Thing is mate, you're talking about 1985, this is now. Should we keep an eye on Germans because back in the 1940s some of them were up to no good?
Italian fans have caused trouble with every English team that has played there in the last 10 years. That suggests this isn't a Liverpool thing but an Italian problem.
There will always be a percentage of trouble makers, but the Italians have a very serious problem, UEFA, government and police turn a blind eye.
As for LFC ignoring Heysel disaster, that's complete and utterly unture, every anniversary players, club and fans do something to mark the occasion.
Silly me, talking about events so long ago.
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2013/05/what-about-justice-for-heysel/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11635476/Heysel-disaster-of-1985-is-footballs-forgotten-tragedy-and-Liverpool-and-Juventus-minimal-reaction-prolongs-hurt.html
(Correction on my initial post - 39 dead, not 55. Apologies).
You seem like a reasonable chap
All I was saying Italy have a huge issue with organised violence at football games, and quite often this is ignored or even helped by the local police. Roma in particular have a problem with stabbings on days of the game.
At no point did I say English football doesn't have it's issues, all I am saying is that giving England's past problems it's easy for other countires to point the finger at them rather than police their own problem.
Again a few things thrown at a bus by some over excited drunk dickheads is being compared to a man being left in a critical condition in hospital because he went to a football match. Amazing.
Also worth noting that Juve fans were killed when a wall collapsed as they tried to escape a section of stadium. A stadium that both teams had asked not to be used for the final, a stadium that Aresnal has stated was falling down several years before the final.
The event was caused by terrible organisation coupled with groups on dickheads from both teams fans throwing rocks at each other, rocks that were on the floor from the stadium literally falling apart. Then when Liverpool fans rushed the juve fans a temporary fence (that was never going to be strong enough) broke, they retreated and a wall collapsed, this didn't however cause the deaths, suffocation of people getting crushed did.
After the even Juve supporters rioted and fought police for 2 hours, with one fan seen to fire a starting pistol at police.
During the investigation in to the disaster several very high profile police officers were held to account, this was a disaster that would not have happened in a suitable stadium, or even with suitable organisation. Instead 2 sets of fans were separated only by a temporary chain fence.
Also worth noting that Liverpool beating Roma the year before in the final is what started the tensions between the Italian fans and the English.
On the subject of reasonableness, you've just written 5 paragraphs which seem to be trying to suggest that the Heysel disaster wasn't really attributable to LFC fans. That's despite the fact that 26 Liverpool fans were charged and 14 convicted of manslaughter - and even the club itself (after 20 years) decided to issue an apology. If I used emoji's, I'd insert the 'shakes head' one here.
My original point was that we're hardly blameless as a nation when it comes to hooliganism. Never have been. And other than saying that I hope Ronaldo scores ten past you in the Final, that's me done on the subject.
So my dad and grandad went - there were Italians zipping about on scooters, nicking anything they could get their hands on and somebody who tried to pick my grandad's pocket while he went for a piss got a smack (my grandad at the time was a security guard in his late 40s).
IMHO the current reporting we're aware of is trying to whip up a story because of Liverpool/Juventus in 1985,