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Pedals ought to trump helix, simply as you ought to have bought the pedals perfect to you. Some people go through stacks of pedals to find the one and will vigorously declare it's superiority over the others. Yet loads of people will disagree.
In terms of fx, helix cannot offer a version of every pedal that everyone will think is "better". Just like real pedals all it does is offer options and variations.
I find the sounds for the most part as good as any pedal I've owned, though I still have a few faves I run in its loops. However the range of sound it offers me vastly eclipses any pedalboard I've had. More or less unlimited sonic inspiration. I haven't bought a pedsl since Oct 2017 and slowly my collection has dwindled as Helix takes over.
I don't agree that helix is accepting 2nd best for convenience. It sounds great in its own right and fits my use perfectly.
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
There is a difference of tone, yes. But referring to it as a "quality of tone" suggests an empirical scale for tone quality which is obviously not true. A Mojovibe tone is no better than a Helix vibe tone in exactly the same way that a Telecaster tone is not "better" than a Les Paul tone. That Mojovibe tone might sound warmer, fuller, whatever the descriptor, but dropping it down into the 'better' category outright is just daft.
In fairness, yer man walked in to a thread about the Helix specifically to shit on it.
Don't talk politics and don't throw stones. Your royal highnesses.
Seriously, though...this is just people disagreeing. As is normal on a discussion forum.
Think you're wrong though
We do pretty much that except we have wedges rather than IEM's, I get more guitar, the singer gets more vox etc
Also had a mini pedal board with another Strymon, Phase 95 etc.
Got a Helix and then the AX8 and sold the lot.
I found the opposite to be true, I got a cleaner more enjoyable sound out of the Fractal, and it weighs a hell of a lot less!
I still occasionally think about having a small board and amp for fun - then I remind myself that for 6 months my superb Carr Skylark was never turned on, and is now being used by someone who wanted it.
I agree with the OP, pedals are fun - and I loved collecting and trading them, and yes it's nice to be able to bend down and tweak.
Now I concentrate much more on playing, learning songs, buying guitars.
I do think that you need to be careful with the modelling stuff because the temptation is you set the values where you never would in the real world. Last night I realised I was running a BF Princeton almost flat out, dropping the master volume back made it more alive - I would never have done that with the real amp
I doubt very much that I could get the same in-room sound from the Helix as I can from my vintage Fender amp in parallel to my Vibratone - it sounds simply divine. However, it's huge, difficult to mic up, impractical for live use, etc. And I'm sure I can get very close with the Helix, possibly even better when considering the mic'd up sound.
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Trading feedback: http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/60602/
I can give you my personal answer, which is that I originally got into Fractal for the effects, and used it in the FX loop of a valve combo. Then I found that the amp sounds were quite good, and bypassed the combo’s preamp. Much later I switched to a powered pa speaker, and then to FRFR. Nowadays I go straight to the pa, and use the FRFR for personal monitoring and for acoustic coupling with the instrument. If I were starting again, knowing what I know now, then I’d go straight to FRFR. However that is a big step for anyone starting out because it feels different to having a hot valve amp and cabinet beside you. So if I were you I’d buy a secondhand Helix and experiment.