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None of which has any bearing on the fact that it sounds excellent through the other outputs (line out / USB / XLR).
Most players use a limited number of presets. That’s partly for consistency to the hearer, and partly for ease of management. Live I use four core presets, and a couple with song specific variations. On top of this I’m constantly trying different ideas. This often leads to me having parallel sets of presets until the new idea is tried, tested, and proven in rehearsal and gig.
The latest version does sound a lot better, amp wise anyway. Im not sure if its as good as the AX8 as I have never played an Ax8.
I'm not claiming I have super high end gear, but it's good quality, neutral-sounding stuff, through which I'd fully expect to have to make a tweak here, a 3dB rolloff there, but no. They all sound horrifically unusable until you spend hours deep, deep editing. None of them ever sound like ANY amp, in ANY realistic environment.
I'm not talking about the effects of "temperature and humidity" here, I'm talking about everyone's "Plexi" sounding like a 1990s Zoom pedal plugged into a phone, thrown into a metal bucket.
I too have heard many others get great sounds out of the Helix, and like others I will click Add to Basket when I hear a single user get sounds I know I can use out of a piece of gear.
I've been a continuous user of digital gear since the 90s, but get a grip guys, the first manufacturer who is capable of programming decent, real world sounds into their OWN EQUIPMENT will clean up.
Yours, a grumpy long-term Line6 user and fan.
I could easily stick an SM57 in front of your real amp, profile it and you'd be most of the way there within minutes.
I explained the problem I encountered and asked if there would be a difference in sound between Helix Floor/Rack/Native (so I can test helix native to get a better Idea of what the helix hardware can do with headphones that will work with them) I also asked about the compatibility with lower impedance headphones and the recommended headphone impedance.
L6 - Hello, you should get identical tones with Helix Floor/Rack, Helix LT and Helix Native. First, please make sure the LT is updated to the latest firmware version 2.54. See the following link for update instructions: https://line6.com/support/page/kb/effects-controllers/helix/how-to-update-the-helix39s-firmware-r776/ Perform a factory reset afterwards: power up the LT while holding the footswitches 9+10. Now test it again. If still not OK, I'd recommend creating a patch in Helix Native, save it, then transfer it to the LT via HX Edit. It should sound identical. Regarding phones, please check out our Helix FAQ: https://line6.com/support/page/kb/effects-controllers/helix/helix-support-faq-r756/ I hear some distortion/clipping from my headphone out. Why? Helix's headphone out is designed to drive even high impedance studio headphones. If you use low impedance headphones, you may hear a bit of distortion when cranked all thew way. This is normal. If still not OK, I'd recommend testing it with another (higher impedance) pair of headphones. Please let me know the result. Best regards Olaf Schildt Technical Support Line 6 Support Europe
Me - thanks a lot, unfortunately I wont be able to do that with the updates as I was trying the units in the shop, I will however try to source some higher impedance headphones (my current ones are either 20 or 40 ohms I can't quite remember, what sort of value should I be looking for?, some people have recommended 250 ohms, is that correct? thanks again
L6 - Hi. 250-300 ohms sounds good - but unfortunately I cannot give you a specific recommendation, this is something you have to try. In general, headphones with 150-600 ohm should work fine. Please also see our Headphone FAQ: https://line6.com/support/page/kb/general-faq/headphone-faq-r428/ Q: What is the recommended headphone ohm rating for use with Line 6 products? A: For devices with a 1/4" output, we recommend headphones rated between 150-600 ohm (pro or semi-pro level) studio headphones for best results. For those with an 1/8" output, headphones designed for MP3 player usage are usually a good match. Results may vary between headphone models and manufacturers. I hope that helps.