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This is not a great state of affairs. It's getting dangerously close to the point where we're not even allowed to talk about this sort of thing. Can you imagine what sort of reaction a song which is actually social commentary about rape would get?
Fortunately, that song's on my band's EP which will probably never be heard by anyone, as opposed to the album we're releasing soon...
In the song, the woman sings "Hey what's in this drink?". This is clearly interpreted, both then and now, as an expression of surprise at the strength of the drink or the effect it's having on her. Is that your idea of 'flirting' ??
Offset "(Emp) - a little heavy on the hyperbole."
She also later sings “say , lend me a coat “
If you watch pretty much any Oliver Hardy /Grouch Marx scene the dialogue starts with “Say....” it was the way Americans spoke in the 30’s and 40’s .
I doubt that any rapist ever interviewed has sited 'Baby It's Cold Outside' as an influence on their sick actions.
So, millions love it, no harm has ever been done by it and yet a few people want to ban it.
Let's ban Elf as well!
And Christmas, which is surely complicit in all this.
That's what it all is, it's Art, and I am certain that a large proportion of all Art ever produced, in whatever format, will have something within that "offends" someone, although more prevalent now than in the recent past.
If you're getting your knickers in a twist over this @Emp_Fab then don't skimp, go through all your Films, Books and Albums and burn all the ones with some controversial content. You'll have next to Fuck All left.
#thinendofthewedge
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Because the whole fricking song is a back and forth between a man and woman, essentially flirting, between 2 adults. It's obvious to most, but the most easily offended, that the woman wants to stay, she has no intention of leaving, it's purely a flirtacious game, fore play.
It's all "but what would the neighbors say" naughty.
You never had a woman joke "god this is strong, trying to get me drunk are you"
As I said I think the fact you take that line to suggest he's going to get her legless and rape her says more about you than it does the writer or performers of the song.
Last Christmas - "Last Christmas I gave you my heart but the very next day you gave it away" - This clearly implies she's a slag and therefore offensive to women all over the world.
Santa Baby - the whole song gives a negative impression of women by suggesting they're taking advantage of elderly mythical beings
We Wish You a Merry Christmas - encourages people towards alcoholism
Baby It's Cold Outside - encourages the male sex to rape the female sex
White Christmas - Racist. People can dream about Black Christmases too.
12 Days of Christmas - Stereotypes. Milking is not only done by female milkmaids
Ding Dong Merrily On High - contains the word "Dong"
Amongst ridiculous reasoning for well-loved Christmas songs, the ridiculous reasoning for Baby It's Cold Outside doesn't really stand out.
All Christmas songs should be banned, they're all offensive!
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If, instead of being a song, this was a transcript being read out in court and you”re in the dock on a rape charge, how many of you really think the jury are going to think “well, I know she said no, time and time again, but you could tell she didn’t mean it.” ?? If that’s what you’re relying on - (Al Pacino voice) - Brother, you are gonna go down.
Offset "(Emp) - a little heavy on the hyperbole."
Do you advocate banning art based on every possible misinterpretation of the artist's intent?
Back to your point; Absolutely the writer’s intent matters. However, the perceived intent from a modern-day perspective matters far, far more. As I said earlier, 95% of people who hear it are not going to go off and research the cultural and social norms of the era it was written in are they? Of course not! They’ve going to hear it through the filter of modern day norms - via which, as others have said, it can be seen as ‘rapey’.
You can’t assume people will know it isn’t a new song either, so why would people even think to consider the societal norms of the 1940s when hearing it?
Offset "(Emp) - a little heavy on the hyperbole."
There's a long history of the media sanitising lyrics and even banning them because they've put the most sinister interpretation on them.
My missus walked down the aisle to Every Breath You Take, now that's a proper love song.
enough said get a life
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