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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30826
    Some spite from George Chuter and I.

    Pillars of Salt 

    2007 World Cup finalist George Chuter believes England need to regroup quickly in order to prevent a slide of seismic proportions:

    “Working out a game plan is hard enough when you’re selecting players in the correct positions, let alone ones they’ve hardly played in.

    “It concerns me greatly that England are becoming a team of Eddie Jones’ salty soundbites rather than any real substance of performance. His comments before the last couple of internationals have been arrogance personified and there’s a danger both he and his team are starting to believe the rubbish Jones is spouting and taking that overconfidence onto the pitch with them,” argued Chuter.

    “Could you see Steve Hansen or Rassie Erasmus chirping to the press in the way Eddie does? Not a hope- they respect the game, their opponents and their players.

    “Can you imagine the squad cringing as some of his left field soundbites get quoted? Can you picture the opposition drawing motivation from his disrespect? His words are putting immense pressure on his own players and it’s almost, no, it HAS, become a game for him- one that’s actually detracting from the way he’s coaching his team.

    “If we wanted a comedian to coach England, we’d be better off employing Peter Kay- at least he’s actually funny,” quipped the former England hooker.

    “Let’s look at that thought of Eddie’s arrogance; his continued and mistaken self-belief that he is some sort of Messiah that magically can turn flankers into eights, locks into flankers and wings into full backs is costing him dearly. He’s forgetting the basic notion that rugby is first and foremost a game of structure and his whimsical desire to be different is absolutely destroying the confidence that good and settled selection brings to a team.

    “Soundbites like ‘brutal physicality’ mean nothing if you’re not selecting players that can bring that to the match. To compound this, playing the likes of Tom Curry at eight and Lawes at six not only puts them in a position where they’re likely to fail, it also removes them from the positions in which they’re undoubtedly world class.” 

    Pillars of Sand

    “If you examine in detail the performances of 2019 and last weekend, two fantastic wins have given England a sense of false confidence that’s cost them. I am going to be brutal here and suggest that the wins v Australia and New Zealand need a little more honesty when examining them; both sides are shadows of their former selves and whilst England played well in both matches, the performances either side (Scotland at Twickenham, SA in the final, Wales in Cardiff) showed some serious flaws and weaknesses.

    “Had England lost either, Jones would now be seeking work with P45 in hand. England had some slices of luck during that World Cup that’s enhanced some very mediocre performances, with the same errors occurring time and time again.

    “In the centre of this is a lack of a fulcrum on-field leadership, catalysed by the brashness of Eddie himself. When he’s such a control freak, it’s hard for other voices to emerge. When you look at the sides of 2003 and indeed, my own team of 2007, leadership was present in each unit of the side. In 03, there were 8 club captains and 6 international skippers in the starting line up; in 07, the likes of Martin Corry, Phil Vickery, Ben Kay and Jason Robinson provided loud and clear captaincy of their respective units,” explained Chuter 

    “If you listen to the ref mic during the game, you hear England players whinging. You don’t hear clear commands and instructions, as you might do when the All Blacks or Ireland play.

    “On Sunday, France had seasoned internationals like Gael Fickou, Ollivion, Bernard Le Roux and Teddy Thomas loud and vocal all game- we don’t see that from England, they’re as quiet as a church mouse on field and we need to develop some of the communication and direction from the senior players and I am concerned that’s lacking within the English side.

    The Key

    “Looking forward to the Calcutta Cup, the key is how England react both emotionally and selectorially to the defeat. Again, the retention of the same 35 players, still with flaws in some positions, shows that the arrogance hasn’t gone away and it’s astonishing that no specialist carrying number eight is in that squad. People like Alex Dombrandt and Nathan Hughes may have question marks around some components of their game, but they keep defences occupied, they create space for others around and above all, they understand their own position,” noted Chuter.

    “Ben Youngs is a great pal of mine, but I have to say he’s not played well for four years or so now. When England were camped on the line in Paris, his predictability was palpable. Not once did he look up to see (at one point) a five on two overlap on the openside, and then a minute late, a three on one on the narrow side. Couple this with his continued need to lift and pass (rather than pass from the floor like Dupont or Aaron Smith) and it’s clear he’s focused on Eddie’s desired need to revert to physicality rather than intelligent decision making.

    “This loss means he can afford to make a few changes. Without the big carriers in the backrow or at centre, Ellis Genge will bring sorely needed power yards to the team. At half back, we need to blood the youth and stop picking journeymen without age on their side. Dylan Hartley said on TV that England should reset what they have and go again; I disagree- there needs to be some serious thinking about some of the selections that clearly didn’t work.

    “Scotland had a pretty frustrating day at the office against Ireland, where they showed similar flaws to England- things like battering the line when other options existed; dropping key passes or failing to finish simple chances. They gave Ireland a right scare with high quality performances from their front and back rowers. Had Stuart Hogg not lost concentration and, cruelly perhaps, showboated a bit, Scotland would be going into this game with a rare away win and England cannot afford to take them lightly,” admired the Tiger.

    Key Match Ups

    “Going into this game, we know that Scotland will be spiky, combative and niggly. Virtually each time I played there, Murrayfield was a bear pit of noise, wind and rain. Couple this with Scotland’s love of disruption and deconstruction and I see this as a very difficult away fixture for England.

    “The back three battle will be key. The conditions often suit themselves to an aerial battle and England need to revert to pacy structure and protect the possession if they’re to have a chance of winning. Loose kicks to the likes of Stuart Hogg and Sean Maitland will be returned with either pace or a howitzer boot and I really hope that England either improve their kicking game immensely and choose to play territory rugby.

    “Anthony Watson’s injury looks like it’s healed and if he returns at 15, then his battle with Hogg is one to relish.”

    “This is an immensely tough game to call and if England are able to retain ball and play in their opponents half of the field, I see them winning by three or four. If they turnover possession to the Scottish loose forwards or revert to a kicking battle, the result may be very different.

    “I really hope, for England’s sake, they and Eddie revert to pragmatic, decision based rugby, otherwise we will suffer yet another loss on the road.”

     

     

     

     


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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 15476
    hate to say it, but based on performances so far, Scotland by a score.

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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30826
    VimFuego said:
    hate to say it, but based on performances so far, Scotland by a score.

    Scots by 14 for me.

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  • exocetexocet Frets: 1948
    I didn't like Eddie when he "arrived" - my opinion hasn't changed and I think George Chuter expresses what many in Rugby feel about Eddie and his approach.
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  • tbmtbm Frets: 578
    I dunno lads. Ireland played poorly, and still beat Scotland. Ok so Hogg butchered a try, but i can't help thinking Ireland would have worked a penalty had they needed one. Scotland were hurt after the world cup, even more so then Ireland, and they showed up physically on Saturday, but Ireland were not good and still won. Defence on both sides was decent. Ireland tried a few things in attack that didn't work, but there was loads of shite box kicking giving Scotland opportunities, and they couldn't take them.

    Doris going off early wasn't ideal. He's class and has been the best number 8 in the country for 6 months or so. POM off the boil again, Murray ponderous, Ringrose - who with Larmour is most creative player - went off at halftime.

    I think England will win handy enough on Saturday, and I think Wales will win in Dublin. Watch France lose to Italy too.....

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  • exocetexocet Frets: 1948
    edited February 2020
    tbm said:
    I dunno lads. Ireland played poorly, and still beat Scotland. Ok so Hogg butchered a try, but i can't help thinking Ireland would have worked a penalty had they needed one. Scotland were hurt after the world cup, even more so then Ireland, and they showed up physically on Saturday, but Ireland were not good and still won. Defence on both sides was decent. Ireland tried a few things in attack that didn't work, but there was loads of shite box kicking giving Scotland opportunities, and they couldn't take them.

    Doris going off early wasn't ideal. He's class and has been the best number 8 in the country for 6 months or so. POM off the boil again, Murray ponderous, Ringrose - who with Larmour is most creative player - went off at halftime.

    I think England will win handy enough on Saturday, and I think Wales will win in Dublin. Watch France lose to Italy too.....
    We'll (Wales) only win if we find a working pair of props. I'm not up to speed on injury situation but the Italian pack took us to the cleaners for a large part of Saturdays match.
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30826

    Trying to predict Eddie’s side for Saturday- I’m going with:

    15. Courtney Lawes

    14. Monica Galetti (Samoan poach y’see)
    13. Elliott Daly
    12. Owen Farrell (c)
    11. Jeremy Corbyn (left wing chaos)

    10. Owen Farrell
    9. Elliott Daly

    1. Johnny May
    2. Christine Keeler (classy hooker)
    3. Elliott Daly

    4. Owen Farrell
    5. Elliott Daly

    6. Owen Farrell
    7. Elliott Daly
    8. Tom Curry


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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 15476
    no Ben Youngs. Wouldn't be an EJ team without the inexplicable selection of ol slow pass. 

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  • Proper LOLd at that, @Gassage - top work :D
    <space for hire>
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30826
    VimFuego said:
    no Ben Youngs. Wouldn't be an EJ team without the inexplicable selection of ol slow pass. 
    "Well...ah, look mate, the thing is with Benny...well he's got intermediate First Aid and can fit in as Team Doctor if the medics need replacing....no worries with him there in a test match mate....versatile lad mate....."

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  • When are people going to realise Jones is a clown.  If you want to play gain line crash ball rugby you need a superb number 8 at the base of the scrum and a speedy pass.  He has neither.  As a welshman i hope he stays on!
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30826
    When are people going to realise Jones is a clown.  If you want to play gain line crash ball rugby you need a superb number 8 at the base of the scrum and a speedy pass.  He has neither.  As a welshman i hope he stays on!
    Yet, paradoxically, we've got the players to play pacey phase rugby. You couldn't make this up!

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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 11413
    Watson out again on Saturday.

    Jones has been foiled in his devious plan to play him at number 8!
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 6378
    edited February 2020
    I sincerely hope the game plan is better than stuff it up yer jumper crash balls, often without support players arriving in time. It was a dire spectacle for 75% of the game - the French had sussed it, and gained the confidence that they could defend it after 5 minutes.

    Also they had a big scrummaging advantage that they seemed to squander - Nigel Ownes could have been giving us penalty after penalty, but the French hung in there and didn't paint a picture to NO that they couldn't hack it.
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 11413
    Youngs has been dropped, plus 4 other changes.

    Heinz isn't exactly looking to the future though.
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  • fretmeisterfretmeister Frets: 23932
    crunchman said:
    Youngs has been dropped, plus 4 other changes.

    Heinz isn't exactly looking to the future though.
    Alex Mitchell isn't quite ready.
    Next year though.
    He did very well at 9 against the Barbarians.
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  • GulliverGulliver Frets: 848
    crunchman said:
    Youngs has been dropped, plus 4 other changes.

    Heinz isn't exactly looking to the future though.
    I still think (although as a Quins fan I would) that Danny Care is an excellent choice of scrum-half.  But I don't like to see him start for England - he's much better coming in off the bench.  Every time he's off the bench in an England shirt he picks up the pace, disrupts the game and unsettles the opposition in a good way.  Youngs and Heinz are both boring and predictable - Heinz isn't even the number 1 scrumhalf for his club! With players like Wigglesworth and Robson playing really well in the premiership I don't know why EJ persists with the boring pair.


    No proper Number 8 I still think is a mistake (although at least there's one on the bench this week) - and I hope that Furbank has a better game this week. 

    I think England will squeak a win tomorrow, but not the commanding win it could/should be
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  • Were blessed with scrumhalves at the moment in Wales, Tomos Williams, Gareth Davies and now Rhys Webb back in the fold. Really looking forward to tomorrow’s match, it could be a belter. Ireland were the last team to beat Wales in the 6 Nations, way back in 2018! I wonder how much the wind will affect play.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 31368
     Ireland were the last team to beat Wales in the 6 Nations, way back in 2018! I wonder how much the wind will affect play.
    I'm hoping it'll put Sexton off his stride and kill his boring but effective kicking-to-the-corners game. 
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 11262
    England have a problem at 9. I would have suggested Dan Robson a while back but he's not played well for some time.

    An interesting gamble might be the Glaws pairing of Simpson and Cipriani, but Jones would never be that bold. 
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