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At the complete opposite end of the scale, that Eko in Coda is genuinely lovely too - or at least with the caveat that I haven’t heard it.
I’ve only played a couple of Gibson B-25s, but they were very disappointing.
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If you can find a used example (which will be called an F-412 - Guild used to have an F-512 in rosewood and an F-412 which is the same only in maple, now they are both called F-512) it will probably still be way out of budget. But you never know.
That perfection aside, well, nearly everybody makes a 12 or two.
I think it's wise to consider string spacing carefully. Nearly all 12s have either a 50mm or a 48mm nut and you have to be comfortable with that. There are narrower ones, but they are (thankfully) uncommon and (in my view) very unpleasant to play. With 12 strings you need some space on the fretboard. So 48 or 50mm, at the pointy end is good.
It's the blunt end string spacing that might trip you up. Depending on your playing style, you might find the narrower 12s difficult to pick accurately. So try before you buy and trust your initial instincts.
Tanin - 48/50mm nut width is no issue for me, I like my fretboards wide and necks on the chunky side too. Will have to play a few to get a feel for the bridge spacing I like though, thanks for the heads up.
Also, regarding Guild, is it just the F412/512 that are great or generally are most 12 string guilds* nice, I've seen a couple in a dreadnaught body shape.
*Here I am restricting to made in US guilds.
At a lower price point to the guild check out Seagulls
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
They are now higher priced than they used to be (IMO) at around £650, but as ever, bargains can be had.
at the price they are, hard to come by but playable 70s mahogany Guilds can be great bang for the buck. Good luck
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
You should be able to pick up a Tanglewood 12 sting between £500-£600 new or £300-£400 used in good fettle.
Good luck in your journey Choivert.
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I've had a Seagull S6 for over 30years and still going strong, with normal use I really don't think it's an issue.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Genuinely... that guitar is not for sale at any price. One of the best sounding 12-string acoustics I've heard/played. They have a solid spruce top and rosewood back/sides and were made during the 1980s. You won't pay a lot for one, but genuinely... I sold a Guild and kept this. :-) Worth searching one out, imho...