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That's one of the main reasons that using a trusted platform like ebay or Reverb is better than direct sales on a platform such as here.
It's also one of the reasons that buying from a shop or a known dealer is a good idea too. 100% protection if something doesn't turn up or turns up with issues. Buyer protection is key when buying online especially when there's a chunk of money involved. The figures above are not chump change that the buyers can lose and not bat an eye.
If anyone buys on here at distance you should never use fnf or just make the trip yourself to pick it up.
Even post a photo on your socials in the car with a coffee marked "Guitar safari" is better than losing £1500 on an online scam.
Or get in touch with someone local to the seller..give them some beer money to sort it out. I'm sure a local dealer would do it for you if you asked them.
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For anyone, if you’re in doubt about an advert, doing the above is a quick way to check its veracity - it’s not exhaustive though so best to pay by a method with protection or just pass if in any doubt.
This forum is a community, with relationships based on trust, but perhaps we need to make PayPal Goods & Services more of the norm, particularly for higher value stuff?
There have been a few issues like this in the past, but the mods do an incredible job of maintaining this place.
I don't think there's much that can be done about a stolen/hacked account & it's horrible to hear people got burned by it.
That said, there's a world of difference between "being a member here for 10 years" and "being a member in good standing".
We have many lurkers and people who only use the sales section without contributing more widely.
I've bought and sold several items on here both in-person and remotely without issue but that's because I've always dealt with people I feel I know due to having read and reacted to their posts in other areas of the forum.
There has been talk in the past of restricting the sales sections to people with a post count over X but that would lead to spam posts attempting to reach the threshold. How about needing a certain number if "frets" as this is like XP and has to be earned within the community?
I've not been a member here for long, despite my post count, and didn't join with the intention of using this place as a platform to sell off equipment, I ended up selling some parts, and did it via bank transfer - nothing over £200 I got the the prices I asked for in my parts clear out thread. I have to say, I prefer payment on collection, with smartphones and various banking apps various forms of payment can be done almost instantaneously nowadays.
There are too many pinned topics. There are too many for anyone to bother reading, and too many for any one to stand out and capture attention. Our eyes just skip over them.
- In your s/shot, there are 2 separate posts relating to scammers (combine them into one).
- The suggestion to use video isn't going to fly - it's difficult enough to get people to take decent photos (even when many people use their camera to browse the forum!), so de-sticky that one.
- The No Fakes should be folded into the Rules thread.
That observation holds for a few of the sections of the forum. The announcements have become noise that we (readers) filter out, they're not effective for their intended purpose.[edit]
And a PS - anyone using the "Recent Discussions" view doesn't see any of those announcements anyway. And I'm not suggesting that you add them to that view!
I've highlighted those words deliberately. The forum began as a much smaller and more stable community wherein many members knew each other directly, or one person removed. The Classifieds were a useful add-on to those people to (effectively) swap gear amongst each other. We were, mainly, friends.
The forum has grown, membership has changed, and the Classifieds has become the only area that some people now visit. I'd no more send them untraceable cash (ie PPF&F) than I would send cash to a stranger on eBay.
It is for sure Roland and I had previously looked at these tbh. It was just a thought that our experience being somewhat different may be of benefit other members of the FB Community.
Google reverse image search is available on Android via Google Lens, not sure about iOS.
It's true about pinned topic fatigue and they aren't that prominent - perhaps there's a way to get (okay, force) users to read and confirm a few things e.g don't use F&F unless you're prepared to lose the money, before going into the trade forums, a bit like filter questions for new members on a FB group.
As a business we were scammed by a low life who hung about our stand at a guitar show a few years ago ... we got shafted for a few hundred quid's worth of pickups which smarted ... but on here things have been good.
I was part of this community back in the old 'Music Radar' days before Fretboard was a forum in its own right ... am a 'founder member' and have been trading with folks on here since day one and have never,luckily, had an issue.
The problem is it's a bad world out there and we are an open and welcoming community (er mostly lol) and the odd bad apple does occasionally slip in. Sad ...
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- Right now, you've got TMDR.
- So, put that in the Acoustics section if you really think it's of value.
- If they don't read the rules, will they read the No Fakes (which they need to do to understand the forum's definition of "Fake").
My post was intended as a constructive suggestion.If the seller refuses, it's clear that it's not the PP fees he's trying to avoid - it's the chances of a chargeback. Walk away.
(That said for long-standing tFBers, I've sometimes used PPF&F. Also, some buyers here have sent payment that way without me asking.)