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I can't speak for everyone, but my only comments about Kiki Wong's image and manner were in respect of how does she fit with the rest of the band. Nothing to do with fading into the background. Most bands have a certain consistency in their image, it's part of the business of "putting on a show". To go back to the "How Women are Conquering Metal" video, if you took Nervosa or Burning Witches and replaced the singer with a tall, black-clad, whiney-voiced Uncle Fester lookalike, it would not work. Simple as that.
There is nothing wrong at all with a woman choosing an image where their sexual attractiveness is on display. There is no obligation for them to cover up, lest what? Our uncontrollable animal urges take over? Go have a cold shower if you are that worked up lads...
Conversely, there should be no pressure or obligation for a woman to look a certain way or behave a certain way. I've known attractive women who deliberately play it down on stage in baggy clothes because they want people paying attention to their playing not their boobs, bigger girls who proudly show off their larger figures, and women who know damn well that guys fancy them who use it to help sell their band... if it's their choice, that's what empowerment is.
I'm passionate about music and I'm pretty passionate about women (fortunately I'm also ugly and anti-social or I'd have ended up caught and divorced years ago, monogamy sucks ass, jokes) and mixing the two together is quite the cocktail for me, for everyone else, your mileage may vary, but it's upto them how they dress, not some old blokes on a guitar forum (not aimed at any specific poster BTW - I'm not criticising any post here).
A sort of example - check out the comments on this Sophie Lloyd post... she's a beautiful and talented woman and she uses both to sell herself, but in the modern age isn't everyone getting this worked up because you can see she has nipples a bit too much??
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We are all aging males ... the sad bit is that although out in the real world I have quite a few female customers ... mostly in the metal genre, none of them would consider this a pleasant environment to converse about guitar related matters - yes I've asked them.
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OMG if this is really how your logic works then it's maybe you who you should be more worried about, not us
a person who is or people considered highly attractive to look at, often implying that they are, but lacking in intelligence or depth. something intended to be attractive to the eye without being demanding or contributing anything essential.
And that is meant to be complimentary to women is it?
Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ... Oil City Pickups ... Oil City Blog 7 String.org profile and message
Secondly, no one in this topic is describing 'women' as eye candy. Just a guitarist who dresses in a bikini* and films clips of herself playing to then post on social media to gain attention. (And to be clear, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with doing that at all - neither is there anything wrong with subsequently describing the guitarist as eye candy).
*N.b. I haven't sen the clips concerned, just the stills in this topic, but earlier someone mentioned not being able to find footage of her in underwear, just a bikini.
I can't remember how any of their songs go and I had no luck getting past the home wi-fi search filter.
Needless to say, based on the photos posted here, I won't be googling Kiki either.
Don't dictate, don't dictate, don't dictate, dictate to me.... Don't dictate, don't dictate, don't dictate, dictate to me....
That's the only one I can remember, and funnily enough it seems appropriate right now.
I'd be more upset about linking a long time band member of Asian ancestry to hiring a new one,if I chose to be outraged about anything at all.
Genre - It's hard to classify them just as "rock music". Fans who loved the early grungier hit songs will have been challenged by the variety of genres the pumpkins have traversed on almost all of their albums.
Depth and intelligence - it's worth looking up the meaning behind many of the bigger songs. I'm not sure what extra depth or intelligence you would need
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Thru The Eyes Of Ruby, or Porcelina isn't just 'rock'. It's prog, it's psychedelia, it's expansive.
Describing rock in the above way isn't really accurate.
She did fine. She looks like she had just stepped out of a hair metal band, but it somehow works with everyone else's eclectic style on stage.
Billy did the introduce the band bit and she had no idea what to do... im guessing she will have a riff prepared for the next gig.
I last saw Pumpkins in 2008, and it was enough to put me off seeing them again for a very long time. He was grumpy, pissed off that people only wanted old stuff, and hardly interacted with the crowd at all Then yesterday morning there was a lot of articles from an interview with Billy saying he prefers not to just play the old stuff as that would be too easy. I was worried.
It was a great. A good mix of old and new. Billy was clearly in a great mood and happy to be there. Lots of interaction with the audience. His voice started a bit weak, but he quickly got into it Weezer were pretty good too.
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